FAC to cost £200

[Blu]

the US is for sure one of the best places or even the best when it comes to shooting. However, the gras is not always greener on the other side. Used to live in the US for 3 years. My experience is that many of the pro gun states are in fly over territory or in no job territory. I am not familiar with all the states but many good job states have terrible gun laws by far worse than for example many states in europe.

And just as many anti gun States have terrible employment opportunities as well. Take a look at the States and cities that are bankrupt or going that way that are Democrat controlled. Their spending on liberal projects and other agendas have driven them into the ground to the point that law enforcement is cut to the bone.

I lived here for a few decades now and I've slowly watched this country sink deeper into the brown smelly stuff due to liberal mismanagement and jobs going overseas. The rot started setting in during Jimmy Carters presidency. The left complains about the Republicans giving big corporations all the tax breaks and such. Personally I couldn't care what breaks they get and how much they make as long as they provide decent paying jobs. The Democrats have driven jobs overseas with their constant attacks on the large corporations, Detroit is a classic example.

Blu

[SevenSixTwo]

Don't look now but Obama's ex-PR guy David Axelrod, a vehement anti-gun proponent in the US, is Labour's new spin doctor.

Better pray they don't get back in - or your guns are gone.

[Alpha1]

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the US is for sure one of the best places or even the best when it comes to shooting. However, the gras is not always greener on the other side. Used to live in the US for 3 years. My experience is that many of the pro gun states are in fly over territory or in no job territory. I am not familiar with all the states but many good job states have terrible gun laws by far worse than for example many states in europe.


And just as many anti gun States have terrible employment opportunities as well. Take a look at the States and cities that are bankrupt or going that way that are Democrat controlled. Their spending on liberal projects and other agendas have driven them into the ground to the point that law enforcement is cut to the bone.

I lived here for a few decades now and I've slowly watched this country sink deeper into the brown smelly stuff due to liberal mismanagement and jobs going overseas. The rot started setting in during Jimmy Carters presidency. The left complains about the Republicans giving big corporations all the tax breaks and such. Personally I couldn't care what breaks they get and how much they make as long as they provide decent paying jobs. The Democrats have driven jobs overseas with their constant attacks on the large corporations, Detroit is a classic example.

Blu

So how does the licencing in the USA differ from the UK. I don't know what part of the States you live in but how do you own buy licence your guns. How does it work over there and does it cost you money to licence them do you have to pay for the process paper work etc.

[Gaz]

The document was reviewed and commented by several of the national bodies (and there are discussions ongoing as to some aspects). The bits we didn't see before publication were the foreword and the FAQs.

That foreword and "FAQ" (frequently asked by whom, exactly - police press officers?) were clearly written by police licensing officers to put a spin on the rest of the document. "Dangerous weapons", "privilege not a right", what guff. In fact, that "privilege not a right" comment is a deliberate misinterpretation of the law. I can't be bothered looking up the precise act/section at this time of day but certainly for SGCs the wording is "a shotgun certificate shall be granted or renewed by a chief officer of police unless..." - and that "unless" means "you must issue an SGC in all circumstances except if you bother yourselves to find a reason not to". The onus is on the police, not the applicant, to conduct due diligence; that is as it should be.

I might write to Damian Green and remind him of this. On the whole, despite the bombastic wording of that foreword, he's been pretty good to us. Don't forget he was the minister who told ACPO to bugger off when they tried sneaking the FAC fees increase in through a quiet backroom deal with the Home Office.

[FritztheMoose]

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the US is for sure one of the best places or even the best when it comes to shooting. However, the gras is not always greener on the other side. Used to live in the US for 3 years. My experience is that many of the pro gun states are in fly over territory or in no job territory. I am not familiar with all the states but many good job states have terrible gun laws by far worse than for example many states in europe.


And just as many anti gun States have terrible employment opportunities as well. Take a look at the States and cities that are bankrupt or going that way that are Democrat controlled. Their spending on liberal projects and other agendas have driven them into the ground to the point that law enforcement is cut to the bone.

I lived here for a few decades now and I've slowly watched this country sink deeper into the brown smelly stuff due to liberal mismanagement and jobs going overseas. The rot started setting in during Jimmy Carters presidency. The left complains about the Republicans giving big corporations all the tax breaks and such. Personally I couldn't care what breaks they get and how much they make as long as they provide decent paying jobs. The Democrats have driven jobs overseas with their constant attacks on the large corporations, Detroit is a classic example.

Blu

So how does the licencing in the USA differ from the UK. I don't know what part of the States you live in but how do you own buy licence your guns. How does it work over there and does it cost you money to licence them do you have to pay for the process paper work etc.

So how does the licencing in the USA differ from the UK. I don't know what part of the States you live in but how do you own buy licence your guns. How does it work over there and does it cost you money to licence them do you have to pay for the process paper work etc.[/quote]

I guess it differes from state to state there however in Austria its like

Cat D are smothbore long guns that are not semi
Cat C are rifles that are not semi
Cat B are any typ of handguns and any type of semis
Cat A is everything that is not D C or B which for the most part means full auto and any other type of military weapons

There are some useless/unexplainable things in the gun law that I am not going into but in general

CAT D and C: You have to be 18 thats it. Go into a shop and buy whatever you like take it home and have fun
CAT B: Every Austrian has the right to own 2 of those. You have to be 21 no criminal convictions and not mentally instable. That will get you a license for 2. Cost is around 250 to 300 Euro but its a one time expense

If you want more than 2 B or want to carry or want an A license then you have to have a reason and proof this reason. That can be quite easy or close to impossible depending on what you want. Extending for more than 2B is quite easy. Carrylicense is much harder but possible. If you want a machinegun you better have a damn good reason

I for example have 12B and 1A and are planning to extend to 20 soon.

[Blu]

FritztheMoose, It sounds like Austria has a pretty sensible system in place, glad to hear it.

Blu

[Polchraine]

I have just had to renew my passport and it made me think.

The Passport Office also do a lot of checks on background &c and their workload per application is probably similar to that of an FEO. Production of a passport includes full scanning of my image, calculation of biometrics, printing in a secure way on very expensive type specific paper, adding a small contact-less memory chip, stitching together and delivery by a tracked and signed method. Thge cost of a standard 32 page passport is £72.50 and a 48 page is £85.50 so £13 for an extra 16 pages.

Apply the Passport fees to a FAC/SGC and reduce it by £34 because there a lot less pages (£25), no memory chip (£1), no binding/stitching (£1), no secure delivery (£7) and it comes it at around £38.50. Add in £15 for the FEO visit giving £53.50

Perhaps the police should hand over the process to an organisation that can manage costs properly and provide value for money.

[Chapuis]

I like your calculations Polchraine as you have come up with a result that I like. However I don't think I will trust you to do the costings for my company or I will go broke.

[Polchraine]

I like your calculations Polchraine as you have come up with a result that I like. However I don't think I will trust you to do the costings for my company or I will go broke.

Yes, but you have large overheads such as marketing, rates, sales force, profit &c to account for. The Police do not. The point being - the Passport Office can offer a similar level of service with additional cost for much the same charge. So why do the police claim it costs £200 unless it is because of incompetence and inefficiency.

[Christel]

Polchraine, you have a very valid point, however don't forget all the one for one variations that are free of charge.