No.4 elevation click value.

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Cookisan

No.4 elevation click value.

#1 Post by Cookisan »

I feel I should know this....but alas!

It is a mark 1 sight (Singer?) and looking at the number of clicks between the marked distances I would assume the click value is an inch.

Presently trying to get my head around my elevation settings.

I should have asked one of the chaps yesterday at the military comp, but after doing the mad minute for the first time, I was too busy grinning like an idiot!

Any help would be much appreciated.
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#2 Post by TomEnfield »

I believe it roughly works out at an inch per click at 100m. But you should zero your rifle by adjusting your foresight rather than changing elevation using the rear sight.
Mezzer

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#3 Post by Mezzer »

Try a half inch per click at 100 yards. Works fine on my Enfield launching an SMK 174 down the range at 2450fps.

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Hunter87

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#4 Post by Hunter87 »

Will the sights be calibrated for use with modern ammunition?
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#5 Post by TomEnfield »

Hunter87 wrote:Will the sights be calibrated for use with modern ammunition?
Kind of.
No large company produces 100% accurate copies of British military ammunition. But PPU and S&B are good enough for government work.
Cookisan

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#6 Post by Cookisan »

tomEnfield - I've zeroed the rifle, I was just getting my head around the number of clicks between the distance on the sight, i.e. 4 clicks between 200 and 300 yards - therefore is it an increase of 4". Sorry if my query wasn't very clear.

I'm presently using factory loaded PPU 180gn ammo which obviously doesn't tally with the settings, 700 yards is shot using the 800 yard setting plus 2 extra clicks. I'm freeing up the cases ready for reloading with 174gn bullets and hope to mimic the service ammo, hence use the settings on the sight if I'm lucky!

Again thanks everyone for the help.
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#7 Post by TomEnfield »

Another spanner to throw in the works that you might already know about is the sights will be set to yards and the range to meters. Which means that your sight setting will be higher than the range. My Long Lee shoots PPU miles off the sight settings. At 200m it shoots straight with sights set to 200yrds at 300m it shoots to 400yrds at 600m it shoots to 650yrds
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#8 Post by Dunc »

Does anyone load to 'match' the range scale?
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#9 Post by TomEnfield »

You can home old BES bullets to get as close to the military load as possible. Other than that PPU is very close off the self.
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#10 Post by Dombo63 »

I find S&B run out of p**f much beyond 300 yards. HPS Target ammo for the .303 is spot on to my rifle's sight settings (late model No 4 Mk 2) which has the standard Singer sight and the lowest foresight blade. My own loads, using 174gn SMKs, fire-formed brass and N140 as per just below max in the Vihtavouri tables are also spot on, particularly at 600 and beyond.
PPU was also quite close but overall HPS was best and had the tightest groups when testing.
If you are near Bisley, the range office has zeroing cards for the .303 - just get one and take it along to the zero range then note where your sight settings impact.
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