Getting a New Gun Delivered RFD to RFD

[Tony-c]

this is nothing new,

my FAC from 2008 stated, maybe before that too, but I dont have an earlier one to hand

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if you are selling a firearm which will be sent or posted to a dealer for the buyer to collect in person you should complete table 1 and notify the police, the dealer who actually hands over the firearm should not complete the table or notify the police(except in circumstances which may require police investigation)

for some reason this is just being enforced, just shipping it to the other dealer after exchanging RFD certificates etc and them entering it onto the buyers FAC was standard practise.

[dromia]

When you are being instructed by the firearms certification department to do things a certain way and when upon talking with your trade bodies, who should represent you in any challenge, they say exactly the same what should you do?

I will certainly comply with what the Certification authorities and the trade bodies say rather than comply with uninformed internet opinions. My FAC and RFD depends upon me complying, if other people feel that their certificates are not at risk by knowingly refusing to comply with the legislation as currently interpreted by those charged to implement it then good luck to them.

The only way to challenge this is in the courts and as the "representative" bodies are in agreement with the certification authorities then your challenge would be on its own, I don't have that disposable income and I like giving solicitors money as much as do giving scumbag journalists money.

[Blackstuff]

With a new gun you can bypass all the nonsense by asking your RFD to acquire the gun for you and then buying it from your RFD, so it would be no different than buying the gun as if it was hanging on the wall in the shop. This obviously requires a willing RFD of course.

[dromia]

this is nothing new,

my FAC from 2008 stated, maybe before that too, but I dont have an earlier one to hand

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if you are selling a firearm which will be sent or posted to a dealer for the buyer to collect in person you should complete table 1 and notify the police, the dealer who actually hands over the firearm should not complete the table or notify the police(except in circumstances which may require police investigation)

for some reason this is just being enforced, just shipping it to the other dealer after exchanging RFD certificates etc and them entering it onto the buyers FAC was standard practise.

I think the thing that is new is that firearms certification and the "trade" are now being pro-active in ensuring compliance.

[bigfathairybiker]

So we can blame the "trade" for this. :)

[dromia]

No, blame the people who wrote the legislation so poorly without seemingly due cognisance of how it lay with existing legislation

What the trade are doing is protecting their members as they see it, if they thought the legislation was being interpreted wrongly by the certification authorities then they would make a case.

[Tony-c]

With a new gun you can bypass all the nonsense by asking your RFD to acquire the gun for you and then buying it from your RFD, so it would be no different than buying the gun as if it was hanging on the wall in the shop. This obviously requires a willing RFD of course.

then who is liable for any faults??

[ovenpaa]

then who is liable for any faults??

A very good point Tony!

[dromia]

First port of call for any issues should always be the seller, in this case the willing RFD.

It is one of the reasons I predominantly deal in old second hand guns rather than knew ones, they have less problems or have had any problems sorted.

New guns are a real pain as they increasingly seem to be having poorer quality control.

I was asked to get a magazine for a new Browning Marral 308, what a saga that was as they don't sell complete magazines only the parts for the magazines which have to ordered separately. Off course Browning don't tell you this when you order a new magazine, its only after you get onto them for the rest of the bits that you need that they tell you they always have this problem because of the way the stock is set up on the computer, FFS! Why didn't they just tell me how it was when I first ordered? Even when we had sorted out the parts needed to make a magazine it then took them three goes to send me the right set of parts.

[Blackstuff]

With a new gun you can bypass all the nonsense by asking your RFD to acquire the gun for you and then buying it from your RFD, so it would be no different than buying the gun as if it was hanging on the wall in the shop. This obviously requires a willing RFD of course.

then who is liable for any faults??

It depends on the way you do it but 9/10, as above, the RFD you buy it from. That's the second good reason to buy it this way, if something goes wrong you don't have to ship the gun to the other end of the country and get stung for more 'transfer fees', in addition to the P&P and any actual repair costs.