Looks like some good news for a change

[bradaz11]

so when does this take effect?

[saddler]

If it doesn't require Royal Assent, er, now??

[daman]

what calibers are even deer legal?

Depends on where you are and what you're shooting: https://basc.org.uk/cop/deer-stalking/ is a good guide.

[bnz41]

So I guess this does not include smaller calibres like .22rf 9mm .357 .44 etc as they are not used on deer unless humane dispatch.

But would include .303 .308 7.62 7.92 etc

[Sim G]

so when does this take effect?

If it doesn't require Royal Assent, er, now??

No, there's still a little way to go before the bill becomes law. It's expected June/July 2017.

[Sixshot6]

So I guess this does not include smaller calibres like .22rf 9mm .357 .44 etc as they are not used on deer unless humane dispatch.

But would include .303 .308 7.62 7.92 etc

My understanding is it's based on the old pre 1997 does it get used in a carbine rule (which due to a small number of carbines using 9mm and 45acp at the time allowed the ammo to be treated the same as revolver ammo used in a lever action). I can't say until it's spelled out in full, but potentially it means 22wmr expanding can be section 1 and some of the cheaper stuff is expanding so it makes that 22 wmr ar more viable.

[Sandgroper]

See - http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=10

I think the CA was keeping it simple for their core base, when they referred to Section 5 ammunition as "the kind used for deer stalking back to Section 1."


The actual amendment reads

“Controls on ammunition which expands on impact

(1) The Firearms Act 1968 is amended in accordance with subsections (2) and (3).

(2) In section 5 (weapons subject to general prohibition), in subsection (1A), for Paragraph (f) substitute—
“(f) any ammunition which is designed to be used with a pistol and incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact;”.

(3) In section 5A (exemptions from requirement of authority under section 5), in subsection (8)(a), after “which”, in the first place it occurs, insert “is designed to be used with a pistol and”.

(4) In consequence of the amendment made by subsection (2), omit section 9 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997.”

[Blackstuff]

As above, everything designed to expand that is regarded as a 'pistol bullet' is still Sec5, all rifle stuff will be Sec1 once its fully through I wonder where pistol/carbine crossover type rounds will sit...

Pity they dropped the part of the bill to regularise the stupid situation with Sec1 shotguns and LBP/LBR's, but you win some, you lose some!

I wonder how long after its passed it'll take RFD's to realize/start selling it freely....

[Rockhopper]

The best thing they could do to speed things up and reduce admin for the Police is to allow RFD's to do one-for-ones.

[Sixshot6]

See - http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=10

I think the CA was keeping it simple for their core base, when they referred to Section 5 ammunition as "the kind used for deer stalking back to Section 1."


The actual amendment reads

“Controls on ammunition which expands on impact

(1) The Firearms Act 1968 is amended in accordance with subsections (2) and (3).

(2) In section 5 (weapons subject to general prohibition), in subsection (1A), for Paragraph (f) substitute—
“(f) any ammunition which is designed to be used with a pistol and incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact;”.

(3) In section 5A (exemptions from requirement of authority under section 5), in subsection (8)(a), after “which”, in the first place it occurs, insert “is designed to be used with a pistol and”.

(4) In consequence of the amendment made by subsection (2), omit section 9 of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997.”

How do you reckon the designed for bit will be squared with the fact that long arms use pistol cals? Will a long arm existing using a pistol round make the round a rifle round?