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#11 Post by TattooedGun »

Rockhopper wrote:Its true what you say about smallbore target rifle dealers - they are few and far between. I would say though that the market appears to be tiny compared to other forms of shooting. My club has 250 members but in the last eighteen months only one of those guys has bought a brand new rifle. I think if dealers could do one for ones then people would swap more often.
In terms of shooting, it's also a dwindling discipline.

In my county (Worcs) some clubs are struggling with some of the postal leagues to meet team entry requirements (4 members). and as far as I can see, it's only getting worse as the older generation are dying off. Young people these days are not interested in learning prone shooting when they can strap on a scope and get instant gratification looking at the target. They don't learn the basics of shooting and then wonder why they never become great shots. But tis a sad fact.

Setting up as a small-bore target rifle specialist would be foolhardy these days, in my humble opinion. The accessories are wrapped up pretty well by intershoot, Edinkillie and the NSRA shop. and buying online is a doddle. As has been pointed out, people don't change rifles in the discipline often. most people at my club have owned the same rifles since the 80's, and those of us who are starting out in the last 5 years, tend to buy second hand. I know of 1 person in my club who bought a top end rifle straight off, and he travelled to Bisley (NSRA) because it's the most convenient place to go and try as you buy.

I was looking into becoming an RFD, but not completely seriously. I was turned off when people started mentioning a percentage of your earnings need to come from the business. I could put up the business plan, but I couldn't depend on the income to be a percentage of my salary. It's a difficult thing for anybody to do when starting up. Perhaps another way to close the door and make it difficult for shooters.
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Ovenpaa wrote:Significant start up costs for us were the monitored alarm and business insurance as well as loads of cabinets and a dedicated and secure armoury. As above, you need a business plan and trade membership to be able to demonstrate good intention of making it a viable business, they are never happy with the idea of part time RFDs just using the business for cheap ammunition and reloading stuff for mates. Also they will base your application on what you intend to do and who is around you. When we first applied to become RFDs Beds police pointed out there were several RFD businesses within 6 miles which amazed me as I had never heard of most of them.

I have also heard of RFDs not being granted renewals at 3 years.
the monitored alarm
What's the point? They won't bother to come unless at least two zones activate! Didn't do that Bank much good did it? ;)
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Andy632 wrote:
the monitored alarm
What's the point? They won't bother to come unless at least two zones activate! Didn't do that Bank much good did it? ;)
It was a requirement both with Bedfordshire and Lincolnshire, probably because of the exact nature of our business. It is specified as being Grade 3 monitored and we have a Police response agreed. Our alarm is quite complex so I would really hope it works! Any more than that is not for the public domain.
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I know this is going to sound strange but I was not looking to make any money out of it. I was enquiring purely out of convenience. As an example a Guy in my Club wants a .22 rim fire barrel chopping by what ever inches and re threading. I want to be able to take the gun off him do the work then give him it back. With out breaking the law. Another Guy wants his receiver drilling and tapping for a scope mount I want to take the gun home from the range fit the mount and give him it back at the next shoot. I don't want to end up on the wrong side of the law. I'm not sure how this all works.
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It seems the key is that you have to be making a living from being an RFD to keep the Police happy. They don't want part timers or people doing it just for convenience so it seems like your idea is a non starter sadly.
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I also suspect that the trade bodies have been instrumental in pressing for the full time trader, they seem to be driven by the big wholesale suppliers and their volume view on how the retail/gunsmith supply should be in the UK, for the benefit of them and their volume sellers rather than the gun owning public. At times it seems like a cartel.
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Yes having read the replies to my post Im guessing its probably a none starter.
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#18 Post by Robert303 »

Don't give up too easily. Talk to your Firearms Dept. If you are just doing repairs and 'Gunsmithing' with say no more than 5 firearms in at any one time you MIGHT get away with the requirement for a monitored alarm, depending on how many firearms you have. However you have to consider costs such as getting rifles re proofed after chopping the barrel etc. Are the other RFDs in your area doing repairs and alterations? If not can you get work from them? This should form part of your business plan which does not have to be overcomplicated in that it is primarily to offer a service to shooters and other RFDs that you can provide in your spare time. If there are no other dealers in your immedediate area selling reloading supplies you can add that to your business.
However as I mentioned before TALK to your local police. They can be surprisingly helpful if approached in the right way. I had a friend who was a part time dealer for many years and he never had any real problems with his force right up to the point he packed it in.
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Alpha1 wrote:I know this is going to sound strange but I was not looking to make any money out of it. I was enquiring purely out of convenience. As an example a Guy in my Club wants a .22 rim fire barrel chopping by what ever inches and re threading. I want to be able to take the gun off him do the work then give him it back. With out breaking the law. Another Guy wants his receiver drilling and tapping for a scope mount I want to take the gun home from the range fit the mount and give him it back at the next shoot. I don't want to end up on the wrong side of the law. I'm not sure how this all works.
Why not just offer a while you wait service ?

That way the firearm does not leave their possession.
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#20 Post by MistAgain »

I really had to laugh when I read this thread .

If you are not looking to make any money from having an RFD , then you are stopping one or more full or part time RFD's from making a decent living .

If you have all the machinery needed to do the sort of work you mentioned at home , like a lathe , milling machine and drill press , by all means get your RFD but then charge the going rate for the job . If you are skilled and give a good service , the work will come rolling in .

The problem with the gun trade in this country , is not that there are too many part time dealers , but that there are too many part time dealers who trade at cost price ( or even lower ) to pay for their own shooting activities .

And there are too many shooters who bring in parts and accessories from USA and other places that need export licences but dont have them in place .
Instead they have their friends Billie Bob or Cleatus put things like machine tools on the customs dec , under value them and never pay duty and VAT when the goods get here .

As for there being a cartel , the only cartel I know of in the gun trade is the GTA ! .
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