Permanently attached suppressors ?

[AR15]

Yep a good point.

Suppressors and flash hiders while being classified as a 'firearm' are not 'component parts' rather 'accessories' and as such are not defined in the same way.

Case Law:
R v Ashton, CA, 1 February 2007 seems to suggest that any part that stops the weapon functioning as it was designed would be a component part:

"Whether in fact this particular gas plug is a component part of a prohibited weapon, is a matter of fact for the court to decide the words have their ordinary natural meaning. as a matter of reasonable interpretation it means a part that is manufactured to the purpose screw or washer, would not be a component part for present purposes. Similarly, a component part must be a part that if it were removed, the Gun could not function without it."

'Could not function without it', a Suppressor or Flash Hider does not effect the function of the firearm and is therefore not a component part.

3.3 Note that the component parts of weapons falling under 5(1)(a), 5(1A)(a) or 5(1)(aba) are
also subject to section 5 controls (see also Chapter 13).

Flash hider and Suppressors being exempt as non component parts.

There was a Court case about 8 years ago when a man was found guilty of having a flash hider from a H & K MP5 .
The crowns expert witness claimed that flash hiders were only used by criminals and assasins and the Judge agreed with him .

The flash hider had come from his pre ban MP5 ,( the MP5 was handed in ) .

He had however committed several other firearms offences .

Sounds like they were throwing all they could at him.
Flash Hiders are licensable like Suppressors.

[Rarms]

Flash Hiders are licensable like Suppressors.

This thread has obviously gone on long enough, but I would disagree with your above statement. If I buy a gun from you, it comes with a flash hider. The flash hider is not pinned or soldered onto the barrel, but I do not need a variation for it as I would a moderator.

Perhaps better described as controlled parts rather than licensed parts as moderators are?

[AR15]

Flash Hiders are licensable like Suppressors.

This thread has obviously gone on long enough, but I would disagree with your above statement. If I buy a gun from you, it comes with a flash hider. The flash hider is not pinned or soldered onto the barrel, but I do not need a variation for it as I would a moderator.

Perhaps better described as controlled parts rather than licensed parts as moderators are?

I dont sell guns with flash hiders on. Neither should anyone else. Its a licensable part and needs a slot on a ticket. A compensator or brake does not however. the original A1 device was a Flash Hider, the A2 (missing holes at the bottom) is a compensator as per the original drawings, it is manufactured as such. Not a flash hider.

[breacher]

As I explained earlier.......

A component is regarded as a firearm in so much as it is controlled.

An ASSEMBLED firearm is subject to length restrictions. A component is not. So, your receiver, flash hider, suppressor etc do not have to be 24" overall length.

Nonsense.

Please tell me if you think an assembled upper receiver WITHOUT a lower is an assembled firearm, so barrel, upper, bolt carrier group and handguard, muzzle brake and charging handle.

Lets for arguments sake say its got a 9.5'' barrel on it and a gas tube and gas block too.

Its just an upper assembly on its own, so is that a firearm?

Well I could answer but then again if my interpretation differed from yours, you would just get frustrated again. And we know you clearly dont cope well with frustration, feeling the need to label anybody who disagrees with you as an idiot, when frustrated.

So, its probably best to decline your little quiz !

[AR15]

As I explained earlier.......

A component is regarded as a firearm in so much as it is controlled.

An ASSEMBLED firearm is subject to length restrictions. A component is not. So, your receiver, flash hider, suppressor etc do not have to be 24" overall length.

Nonsense.

Please tell me if you think an assembled upper receiver WITHOUT a lower is an assembled firearm, so barrel, upper, bolt carrier group and handguard, muzzle brake and charging handle.

Lets for arguments sake say its got a 9.5'' barrel on it and a gas tube and gas block too.

Its just an upper assembly on its own, so is that a firearm?

Well I could answer but then again if my interpretation differed from yours, you would just get frustrated again. And we know you clearly dont cope well with frustration, feeling the need to label anybody who disagrees with you as an idiot, when frustrated.

So, its probably best to decline your little quiz !

No surprise when your asked to actually explain your incorrect interpretation you decline. Stop handing out dangerous advice to people on this forum, your a liability to shooters.

[AR15]

As I explained earlier.......

A component is regarded as a firearm in so much as it is controlled.

An ASSEMBLED firearm is subject to length restrictions. A component is not. So, your receiver, flash hider, suppressor etc do not have to be 24" overall length.

LOL How can the manufacture of a Sec5aba component be controlled if said component doesn't exist until assembled? A short barrel Sec5aba IS a component part of a Sec5aba firearm and in itself a prohibited weapon.

c. under section 5 of the 1968 Act, it is an offence for a person to possess, purchase,
acquire, MANUFACTURE, sell, transfer, possess for sale or transfer, or purchase or acquire
for sale or transfer, a component part of a prohibited weapon without the authority of
the Secretary of State for the Home Department or by Scottish Ministers in Scotland.

This will be another one you wont answer. ill watch the tumble weed blow past......

[breacher]

Tell you what - try calling me a Chicken - maybe that might work ?

Your "quiz" had nothing to do with my stating that a componant has in its own right, no minimum length requirement.

It was nice here, with us all offering our opinions and agreeing to differ. Then you arrived, all ego and frustration.

[AR15]

Tell you what - try calling me a Chicken - maybe that might work ?

Your "quiz" had nothing to do with my stating that a componant has in its own right, no minimum length requirement.

It was nice here, with us all offering our opinions and agreeing to differ. Then you arrived, all ego and frustration.

I repeat the same question:

How can the manufacture of a Sec5aba component be controlled if said component doesn't exist until assembled? A short barrel Sec5aba IS a component part of a Sec5aba firearm and in itself a prohibited weapon.

c. under section 5 of the 1968 Act, it is an offence for a person to possess, purchase,
acquire, MANUFACTURE, sell, transfer, possess for sale or transfer, or purchase or acquire
for sale or transfer, a component part of a prohibited weapon without the authority of
the Secretary of State for the Home Department or by Scottish Ministers in Scotland.

[breacher]

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

Go on - keep asking !

As I said - we came to the conclusion ( before you arrived ) that the matter is open to inerpretation and we were not going to get a definitive answer.

So the Home Office was consulted. And gave their opinion.

Now, by all means, carry on offering your OPINION and advice. Carry on calling me idiot, moron or liability to shooters or whatever your current level of frustration dictates.

But - I already have an answer. From a trusted source.

[AR15]

Yeah I forgot Brian, anyone you don't like isn't allowed an opinion and has to keep quiet.