dromia wrote:From a firearms certification department.
"Hello
Please note that Section 129 of the Police & Crime Act makes changes to the controls on expanding ammunition as from today.
The Home Office and NABIS (National Ballistics Intelligence Service) have clarified the below information:
From 2 May 2017 only expanding ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols is to be regarded as prohibited by virtue of Section 5(1A)(f) Firearms Act 1968 (as amended).
NABIS has identified the following calibre ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols:
.32 S&W
.32 Colt
.320 Revolver
.380 Revolver
.45 Auto Rim
.44 Automag
.50 Action Express
Any “Wildcat” special load pistol ammunition designed to used only in pistols.
All other expanding ammunition is to be regarded as Section 1 and should be treated in the same way as non-expanding ammunition with no requirement to add the expanding ammunition condition to the FAC.
In practical terms the majority of pistol calibre ammunition types we see on firearm certificates are dual use and can be used in rifles, commonly carbines, gallery rifles etc.
This means that the requirement to use the expanding ammunition condition on Firearm Certificates in the future is negligible and will only be used on those rare occasions which is detailed above."
I have a .32 H&R Magnum chambered Marlin..... I also use .32 S&W Long as a "special" à la 357/38. So as the whole concept is very technical, .32 S&W is actually the "short" version and hence pistol only and s5. But the "Long" cartridge s1......? Anyone else agree before I send a smug email to NABIS?
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
And on the subject of such, a .32 Rimfire chambered Marlin 1892 was also supplied with a centre fire firing pin which allowed the use of .32 Colt.... (short, not long)
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
dromia wrote:From a firearms certification department.
"Hello
Please note that Section 129 of the Police & Crime Act makes changes to the controls on expanding ammunition as from today.
The Home Office and NABIS (National Ballistics Intelligence Service) have clarified the below information:
From 2 May 2017 only expanding ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols is to be regarded as prohibited by virtue of Section 5(1A)(f) Firearms Act 1968 (as amended).
NABIS has identified the following calibre ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols:
.32 S&W
.32 Colt
.320 Revolver
.380 Revolver
.45 Auto Rim
.44 Automag
.50 Action Express
Any “Wildcat” special load pistol ammunition designed to used only in pistols.
All other expanding ammunition is to be regarded as Section 1 and should be treated in the same way as non-expanding ammunition with no requirement to add the expanding ammunition condition to the FAC.
In practical terms the majority of pistol calibre ammunition types we see on firearm certificates are dual use and can be used in rifles, commonly carbines, gallery rifles etc.
This means that the requirement to use the expanding ammunition condition on Firearm Certificates in the future is negligible and will only be used on those rare occasions which is detailed above."
I have a .32 H&R Magnum chambered Marlin..... I also use .32 S&W Long as a "special" à la 357/38. So as the whole concept is very technical, .32 S&W is actually the "short" version and hence pistol only and s5. But the "Long" cartridge s1......? Anyone else agree before I send a smug email to NABIS?
This might sound a long shot Sim, but didn't Peter Sarony when he was rechambering Lee's for ex pistol shooters do some in 50 Action Express? Can we Call this part of the thread, lets give Sim Suggestions for his email to NABIS time?
Sixshot6 wrote:
This might sound a long shot Sim, but didn't Peter Sarony when he was rechambering Lee's for ex pistol shooters do some in 50 Action Express? Can we Call this part of the thread, lets give Sim Suggestions for his email to NABIS time?
Yeah he made a couple but if memory serves the rebated rim caused him drama. Strangely enough as it did when a bloke in the club had a Martini actioned.50 AE made bad auseche had a shed load of brass, bullets and stuff left over from the pistols. Had to extract each case using a cleaning rod down the barrel. He just wouldn't listen to anyone!
And trust me, it's not difficult to confuse NABIS.....
In 1978 I was told by my grand dad that the secret to rifle accuracy is, a quality bullet, fired down a quality barrel..... How has that changed?
Guns dont kill people. Dads with pretty Daughters do...!
The clarification from NABIS and the Home Office is correct. Only pistol ammunition that is not used in rifles and carbines remains as section 5(1A)(f)
so if you use it in a rifle, you are good
When guns are outlawed, only Outlaws will have guns
Of course whilst this is good news overall the list of still restricted "Pistol only" calibres are rendered an utter nonsense when the most common popular calibres used in pistols globally 9mm Parabellum, 45ACP, 38 Special and 357 Magnum will be available S1 as expanding.
This is just like the SLR ban all over again where S1 Shotguns are still allowed!
If they are going to allow us easier access to ammunition that is expanding including popular pistol calibres that are also used in rifles it is nonsensical to retain a restriction on this small list of unusual Pistol only calibres.
I understand the point Blackstuff but I also feel we need to push back on contradictory nonsense legislation with detail clauses that render the rules pointless.
