HK-G11 - Muzzle loader?

[the running man]

Correct. The propellant is cast, chemically hardened and then has a projectile and primer inserted. They come in ten round boxes which act as chargers for the magazines.

So what's the plastic thing that ejects after holding the "caseless" round together? What's that called?

[Fedaykin]

In many ways the DM11 ammunition was the most innovative part of the whole G11 rifle concept, sorting out issues like premature detonation took significant time and money. Nevertheless the ammunition was still very fragile hence the special plastic packets the were used to charge the magazines which leads me to some thoughts about the real viability of the weapon system.

In the end whilst it is regularly reported that it came close to service acceptance in the West German Army I am very sceptical if that is really the case. Firstly the rifle, ammunition and loading packet system can hardly be called 'Squady Proof'. Secondly it was going to be a VERY expensive system to adopt, adoption would probably only have been economically viable if the US had decided to adopt it. Thirdly the Germans were rather quick to cancel once the US lost interest and move over to adopting a variant of the HK50 as the G36 which HK had conveniently in advanced development (which leads me to think they already knew the writing was on the wall for the G11).

Once the development money had gone HK put zero effort into continuing development, the Germans had already cancelled funding once before the US threw it a lifeline with their SPIW trials programme. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Germans got caught up in the 'Sunk Money Fallacy' with the G11 and reunification was just the excuse needed to kill the whole exercise off without loss of face to the general public who had spent Millions of deutsche mark funding development of a rifle that could never realistically be issued to an army that at the time still used a large number of conscripts.

[andrew375]

No. The law states that in order to qualify for section 1 exemption it has to be loaded from the front with separate powder and shot. . So yes, loading your Colt Navy with original type paper cartridges will make it sec.5, and once sec.5 always sec.5!

[kennyc]

No. The law states that in order to qualify for section 1 exemption it has to be loaded from the front with separate powder and shot. . So yes, loading your Colt Navy with original type paper cartridges will make it sec.5, and once sec.5 always sec.5!

do you have a reference to back that statement ?
from House of Commons Document

1. Muzzle-loading pistols, or "percussion revolvers", are an archaic form of firearm which is loaded with gunpowder and bullet through the muzzle and fired by means of a percussion cap at the rear of the revolver cylinder. They have not been in active use since the development of more modern forms of revolver at the end of the nineteenth century, but are still used in target shooting competitions, which are run in Great Britain under the auspices of the Muzzle-Loaders Association of Great Britain (MLAGB). Mr Harriman, of the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, told us that "the technology has not developed since 1836 when Samuel Colt did his first patent formula . . . [muzzle-loaders] take a long time to load and they were effectively obsolete by 1870".[170] They were considered exempt from the 1997 Acts because, although otherwise fitting the definition of handguns, they load through the muzzle and not through the breech.[171]

[bradaz11]

It's not caseless, it comes in a plastic one not a brass one is all.....

are you sure ? I was of the impression that the powder was the round, and was not encased by any other material ?

just type "fireing a g11" into you tube and you will see the ammo,plastic encased.....so not truly caseless.....

I'm not seeing anything dropping out?
https://youtu.be/32eSZTj2W40?t=65

that shows the only extra bit goes out the barrel with the bullet.

[safetyfirst]

Everything leaves the rifle. Forwards. Down the barrel.

[kennyc]

[the running man]

that shows the only extra bit goes out the barrel with the bullet.[/quote]the brown bit goes out the bottom..does it not?

[GlockworkOrange]

No, the brown bit is the propellant, formed into a solid shape.

[the running man]

No, the brown bit is the propellant, formed into a solid shape.

Ah,makes sense now....so the square slot on the rotary bit is simply to eject duds.....I did see smoke coming out of that port on the videos..