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That's one done, will get the rest modified after lunch...

Tony-c wrote:does a bullet count as "other thing" OMG they all S5

No, bullet, shot and "missile" are already mentioned throughout the act. Discharge "other thing" includes stuff such as electricity, hence s5 status of stun guns.

With regards to front venting blank firers, I was of the opinion that it was specific to certain manufacturers, such as Bruni and Trinity revolvers because of the ease with which they can be converted. Didn't think it encompassed all....

I would not be surprised if the story told to Gunmart is only a small portion of the truth.
A bit like the story that was told here on FB only to found out a while after.....

Anyway, front venting blank fire pistols have always been a no-no since at least before the 80's. So this is really no news, or I suppose it is the news that some idiot thought the rules didnt apply to them.


Mark

Sim G wrote:

Tony-c wrote:does a bullet count as "other thing" OMG they all S5

With regards to front venting blank firers, I was of the opinion that it was specific to certain manufacturers, such as Bruni and Trinity revolvers because of the ease with which they can be converted. Didn't think it encompassed all....

Nope.
The ban on specific makers was to NORMAL blank firers.
Front vent types have been illegal to own/import for a long time; they're very common in most EU states as a "less lethal" self-defence product, along with tear gas/pepper sprays, stun guns, etc.

WE don't need to defend ourselves in the UK, the STATE does that job for us - hence items carried for self defence being classed as "offensive weapons" under UK law

Sim G wrote:

Tony-c wrote:does a bullet count as "other thing" OMG they all S5

No, bullet, shot and "missile" are already mentioned throughout the act. Discharge "other thing" includes stuff such as electricity, hence s5 status of stun guns.

With regards to front venting blank firers, I was of the opinion that it was specific to certain manufacturers, such as Bruni and Trinity revolvers because of the ease with which they can be converted. Didn't think it encompassed all....

I wouldn't but that to the test now Simon, best to get rid ..... or plugged and side vented by a gunsmith, if that's even possible???

saddler wrote:That's one done, will get the rest modified after lunch...

Now that must be a bit "lively" to shoot, range report please...

bigfathairybiker wrote:I would not be surprised if the story told to Gunmart is only a small portion of the truth.
A bit like the story that was told here on FB only to found out a while after.....

Anyway, front venting blank fire pistols have always been a no-no since at least before the 80's. So this is really no news, or I suppose it is the news that some idiot thought the rules didnt apply to them.


Mark

+1. Always the way with these sorting of stories.

The point being, that despite these front venters being on dodgy ground for many years, this is the first time I have heard of someone being arrested, charged and prosecuted for ownership.

The story was relayed to me by Mike Wells and is covered in some detail on the Sportsmen's page in GunMart, its always worth keeping the community up to speed with shooting related legal stories, as you might well find FB members have such items tucked away and forgotten about.

huntervixen wrote:
Sec5 b of the firearms act Any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing

So, first off, if anyone owns such a beast, get it to a Sec5 approved dealer for disposal straight away

On the same legal point, as 12 bore gas cartridges are manufactured, all 12 bore shotguns must also be regarded as Section 5! You will note the exact wording of 5b allows for no exceptions!! aaarggh aaarggh

Oh dear,
the wording says "designed or adapted".
My shotguns are not designed or adapted to fire gas but shot, the cartridges are though, that's why they'll be controlled.
Same as hollow point bullets are not all S5 just because they are hollow pointed. HP as a result of manufacturing process only is OK, but if they were designed to expand in a controlled manner then they will be S5.

Mattnall wrote:

huntervixen wrote:
Sec5 b of the firearms act Any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid, gas or other thing

So, first off, if anyone owns such a beast, get it to a Sec5 approved dealer for disposal straight away

On the same legal point, as 12 bore gas cartridges are manufactured, all 12 bore shotguns must also be regarded as Section 5! You will note the exact wording of 5b allows for no exceptions!! aaarggh aaarggh

Oh dear,
the wording says "designed or adapted".
My shotguns are not designed or adapted to fire gas but shot, the cartridges are though, that's why they'll be controlled.
Same as hollow point bullets are not all S5 just because they are hollow pointed. HP as a result of manufacturing process only is OK, but if they were designed to expand in a controlled manner then they will be S5.[/quot

Seems very clear to me, a 12 bore shot gun is capable of firing a noxious liquid, so its Sec5b! It is designed so, because the gas round is designed to chamber in it and it can be adapted to fire said round by chambering it too.

Everyone is breaking the law