Bringing a gun into the UK

[dodgyrog]

Or let someone in the US have it and you borrow it at the next competition.

An exporter can ship it to you if they are willing to do the correct export paperwork.

Correct

[MistAgain]

Or let someone in the US have it and you borrow it at the next competition.

An exporter can ship it to you if they are willing to do the correct export paperwork.

Correct

And if you can afford all the costs involved !

[Daryll]

No, the costs would probably be as much as buying the firearm in this country....

I did think about, in this hypothetical event, finding a US competitor willing to buy a prize firearm from me, but going by what has been said, i probably wouldn't be allowed to "posess", in any way or form, and it looks like the competition rules have that covered...:

"Any competitor selecting a firearm from the prize table or receiving a firearm from a
sponsor by virtue of a place prize, must be legally able to receive the firearm directly from
the FFL holder. No one may accept the firearm on behalf of the competitor who actually
won the firearm."

So yes, even if a miracle should happen and I came Top Amateur, I'd be coming home with a pack of "Shoot N C" targets..!!

Oh well, I'm going for the experience, not the prizes...

[saddler]

ITAR
Google it.....

Better than being fitted for an orange boiler suit for a free stay at "Club Fed"

IF you win something there'll possibly be a way to store it there while paperwork goes through for legal export; or try to exchange it for a similar value prize (reloading press)
The legal export route is not cheap though...

[Daryll]

Yes, I know about ITAR, and how its so loosely worded most of the US gun shops won't export outside the country in case they fall foul of it. (I think its an American thing... the FDA is also produces woolly worded regulations that can be interpreted many different ways.)

I seem to remember it roughly bans the export of parts for military weapons or anything that could have a military use, which is where the confusion comes....It seems Hunting or Target scopes are OK, but anything with a Mil-Dot reticule is restricted, as thats classed as "military"......??


Anyway, as i said in the OP, its a hypothetical question..

[RDC]

From my interpretation*, it falls under ITAR if it has been designed or used for a US military contract, or if it was manufactured in the US or by a US company for the defence industry, but not neccesarily for the US military. It will fall under EAR if it is also used for non-military commercial uses too.

A commercial scope with mildots wouldnt necessarily be ITAR, but a commercial hunting scope put onto the market by a company that also contracts to the US military and uses elements of the same design or some of the same parts in the commercial scope as the mil scope will fall under ITAR.

ITAR is much more than that though, as it can also dictate the use of ITAR Restricted items. I had some issues when trying to purchase some PVS-14 NODs, turns out there are restrictions on non-US citizens even looking through them outside of government contracted sales.

Now, I could be wrong about all that, it's just my understanding on ITAR from my exposure to it at work. Multi-national companies have innocently misinterpreted the regs and fallen foul of severe financial penalties, so what chance do us mere mortals have?

[phaedra1106]

Yes, I know about ITAR, and how its so loosely worded most of the US gun shops won't export outside the country in case they fall foul of it. (I think its an American thing... the FDA is also produces woolly worded regulations that can be interpreted many different ways.)

I seem to remember it roughly bans the export of parts for military weapons or anything that could have a military use, which is where the confusion comes....It seems Hunting or Target scopes are OK, but anything with a Mil-Dot reticule is restricted, as thats classed as "military"......??


Anyway, as i said in the OP, its a hypothetical question..

Unfortunately ITAR is anything but wooly which is why a lot of US retailers won't ship a lot of stuff that's not even covered by it, the penalties for getting it wrong are too severe for them..

All firearms require an export licence, ammunition, primers, powders and even brass cases also require one. Reloading equipment such as dies & presses etc. do not.

"Mil-Dot" reticles are not restricted at all, "Mil-Dot" refers to milliradian, a degree of measurement, nothing to do with the military. The only scopes that are restricted are those designated for military use (which includes some Leupold scopes which were recently added) or those with image enhancement technology.

[Laurie]

Unfortunately ITAR is anything but wooly which is why a lot of US retailers won't ship a lot of stuff that's not even covered by it, the penalties for getting it wrong are too severe for them..

"Mil-Dot" reticles are not restricted at all, "Mil-Dot" refers to milliradian, a degree of measurement, nothing to do with the military. The only scopes that are restricted are those designated for military use (which includes some Leupold scopes which were recently added) or those with image enhancement technology.

As you say though, US retailers of almost all all optics just find it easier to say they won't sell to anybody outside of the USA. It's not that long ago that I bought a Weaver T36 from Brunos direct, and a then newly introduced Sightron Series III 8-32X56 LRTD from one of the optical specialists. At that time, rightly or wrongly, they wouldn't export anything with Mil-Dot or other reticles that had 'military' connotations, but were happy to do so for those with fine crosshairs or FCH + target dot type recticles. Then a year or two later, either they were 'warned off' by the FDA or one of their number fell foul of ITAR, and they simply stopped exporting anything in this line.

[saddler]

Yes, I know about ITAR, and how its so loosely worded most of the US gun shops won't export outside the country in case they fall foul of it. (I think its an American thing... the FDA is also produces woolly worded regulations that can be interpreted many different ways.)

I seem to remember it roughly bans the export of parts for military weapons or anything that could have a military use, which is where the confusion comes....It seems Hunting or Target scopes are OK, but anything with a Mil-Dot reticule is restricted, as thats classed as "military"......??


Anyway, as i said in the OP, its a hypothetical question..

Unfortunately ITAR is anything but wooly which is why a lot of US retailers won't ship a lot of stuff that's not even covered by it, the penalties for getting it wrong are too severe for them..

All firearms require an export licence, ammunition, primers, powders and even brass cases also require one. Reloading equipment such as dies & presses etc. do not.

"Mil-Dot" reticles are not restricted at all, "Mil-Dot" refers to milliradian, a degree of measurement, nothing to do with the military. The only scopes that are restricted are those designated for military use (which includes some Leupold scopes which were recently added) or those with image enhancement technology.

...almost right.
I've legally exported brass cases & projectiles.

ITAR specifically exempts shotshell components (cases, wads, etc)
Handy way to save money on brass CBC Magtech shotshells & Federal wads not imported into the country

[phaedra1106]

Indeed, shotshell are OK