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Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:51 am
by ovenpaa
I have added these minutes to the repository here:

http://shootingshed.co.uk/wp/2015/09/fe ... -registry/

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:36 pm
by Sixshot6
Blackstuff wrote:I've finally found someone who has copies of the minutes! He's sent me a copy of the September 2016 meeting (which he probably shouldn't have as they're not normally released until they're agreed at the following meeting, which isn't until next month). That still leaves the April 2016 minutes unaccounted for but they're supposedly all going to published on the NPCC website shortly - where've I heard that before 8-) .

Anyway, there's some interesting stuff in there regarding the EU gun grab, Policing and Crime Bill etc etc. Unfortuantely my computer hates this website and won't let me attach the file (Word document). Could some public spirited person who can add them here PM me their email address so I can send it over.

Cheers
What are they saying about rimfire semis? Extension as in exemption? Even they seem unsure? Especially regarding pistol ammo in rifles that expands.

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:57 pm
by Blackstuff
Yes I took that to mean that they thought the lastest from the EU committee was that rimfires were exempt from the directive. To be fair to them, its not for them to make a determination on the expanding pistol bullets until after the legislation is passed at which time they'll (hopefully) get some Home Office guidance.

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:00 pm
by ovenpaa
I do wonder what the two red sections covered...

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:01 pm
by Sixshot6
Blackstuff wrote:Yes I took that to mean that they thought the lastest from the EU committee was that rimfires were exempt from the directive. To be fair to them, its not for them to make a determination on the expanding pistol bullets until after the legislation is passed at which time they'll (hopefully) get some Home Office guidance.

So playing it safe and isn't that what was in the last amendment Vicky ford sent out anyway that rimfires were exempt and that was pretty much the final thing? They would fail the plain english campaigns test then lol .

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:36 pm
by bradaz11
Sixshot6 wrote:

So playing it safe and isn't that what was in the last amendment Vicky ford sent out anyway that rimfires were exempt and that was pretty much the final thing? They would fail the plain english campaigns test then lol .
pot - kettle

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:57 pm
by Sixshot6
bradaz11 wrote:
Sixshot6 wrote:

So playing it safe and isn't that what was in the last amendment Vicky ford sent out anyway that rimfires were exempt and that was pretty much the final thing? They would fail the plain english campaigns test then lol .
pot - kettle
We I guess I failed as much as they did :p

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:53 pm
by walesdave
Can't believe that they are retendering for NFLMS: "NFLMS has been deemed a legacy system".

It's only been in use for 10 years so calling it legacy is a bit of a push - 5 years ago I was working on C&C systems from the 80s that are still (today) in use and until very recently any fixed penalty notice (vehicle or disorder) anywhere in England or Wales was processed using a system that is positively geriatric.....

Wouldn't it be more honest for the Police/ Government/ Working Group to admit NFLMS has been deemed unfit for purpose and a complete waste of time, money and effort over the last 20ish years and it would be a good idea to try a claw back some of the many millions spent on software that could have been better written by a school child sitting GCSE Computing?

Re: Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group minutes

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:05 pm
by joe
They should just get rid of it totally! The gun registrar was scrapped in Canada and it hasn't turned into blood on the streets!