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I take a pragmatic approach to things like this. Does Britain already have the toughest firearm laws in the world - yes. Has there been any firearm related terrorism in Britain in the last 20 years - hardly any. Lee Rigby is the only incident I can recall and even then, was it a live firearm? These proposals are primarily aimed at continental Europe not Britain IMO. Having said that, do I expect changes to antique firearms and obsolete calibres, absolutely.

The only way they can legally get away without paying compensation would be to allow them to be held by some kind of exemption. That is why no compo was paid for the Brocock revolvers because they allowed current owners to get a S5 condition on their FAC's to keep them (but they can't be sold/gifted etc and have to be disposed of when the owner gives up their certificate/dies etc).

I'd be surprised if anything currently legal in the UK is affected by the current proposals (firearms wise anyway, magazines are a different question).

The government are getting ready to repeal the European Communities Act which will see EU law "relegated". EU law will be automatically absorbed into U.K. Legislation and will, over time, be reviewed and that which is not relevant or required, will itself be repealed.

The last thing thus government is going to do is clog up further the statute books by absorbing more pointless EU legislation. Couple that with their own stance of not appearing "weak" in the run up to Article 50 by accepting continued EU law just adds to the unlikelihood of such pointless law being enacted here.

I have no doubt there is a British agenda as far as firearms legislation is concerned and believe we will see primary legislation before the end of this parliament, if it sees its full term. But Brussels attempts we're relatively safe from.

mr smith wrote:

Gazza wrote:

HALODIN wrote:I wouldn't worry, I seriously doubt they'll ban anything and if they did, it wouldn't be without financial compensation, despite the rumours. I still plan to buy a 9LR next year.

Did they compensate the pistol owners when the ban came in?

Yup.

Lol

What makes you think they wouldn't offer compensation? There's no precedent for it.

Hunter87 wrote:Lol

HALODIN wrote:What makes you think they wouldn't offer compensation? There's no precedent for it.

Statutory Instrument when LBR/LPB were accepted as s1, which informed those seeking variation for such would see any ban on the basis that the Home Secretary declares as "especially dangerous" will not receive compensation in the way that the '88 or '97 Amendment Acts did. This came to fruition with the SCGC move to s5, i.e. Brocock type with the VCR Act 2006..

The only information I can find about this, is from you on another full-bore.co.uk thread.

One aspect that seems often forgotten these days as well. Is that the Home Office Instruction to Chief Officers that approved this "firearm type" fir s1, is that the instruction also included that a note be issued with every variation grant that the Home Secretary could at any time declare anything "especially dangerous" and ban it, and if was done so in the case of LBRs then no compensation from the government would be payable. Thus I believe is still the case.

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 44#p281844

I didn't receive a note with my LBR and neither did 2 other people I can think of at our club. Is it possible this is hearsay or perhaps an official mumbling that was never enshrined in law?

I'm not sure what an SCGC is, but in terms of the Brococks, they weren't really banned in my eyes, owners are just banned from selling them. If that happened with any of my rifles, it would be awful, but at least I'd get to continue shooting it until my dying days. I'm still buying my 9LR... :)

Sim G wrote:Statutory Instrument when LBR/LPB were accepted as s1, which informed those seeking variation for such would see any ban on the basis that the Home Secretary declares as "especially dangerous" will not receive compensation in the way that the '88 or '97 Amendment Acts did. This came to fruition with the SCGC move to s5, i.e. Brocock type with the VCR Act 2006..

Sim G wrote:The government are getting ready to repeal the European Communities Act which will see EU law "relegated". EU law will be automatically absorbed into U.K. Legislation and will, over time, be reviewed and that which is not relevant or required, will itself be repealed.

The last thing thus government is going to do is clog up further the statute books by absorbing more pointless EU legislation. Couple that with their own stance of not appearing "weak" in the run up to Article 50 by accepting continued EU law just adds to the unlikelihood of such pointless law being enacted here.

I have no doubt there is a British agenda as far as firearms legislation is concerned and believe we will see primary legislation before the end of this parliament, if it sees its full term. But Brussels attempts we're relatively safe from.

What primary legislation do you envision?

HALODIN wrote:The only information I can find about this, is from you on another full-bore.co.uk thread.

One aspect that seems often forgotten these days as well. Is that the Home Office Instruction to Chief Officers that approved this "firearm type" fir s1, is that the instruction also included that a note be issued with every variation grant that the Home Secretary could at any time declare anything "especially dangerous" and ban it, and if was done so in the case of LBRs then no compensation from the government would be payable. Thus I believe is still the case.

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... 44#p281844

I didn't receive a note with my LBR and neither didn't d 2 other people I can think of at our club. Is it possible this is hearsay or perhaps an official mumbling that was never enshrined in law?

I'm not sure what an SCGC is, but in terms of the Brococks, they weren't really banned in my eyes, owners are just banned from selling them. If that happened with any of my rifles, it would be awful, but at least I'd get to continue shooting it until my dying days. I'm still buying my 9LR... :)

No, it is not hearsay, it happened. You may very well not have had "the letter", or the two other people you know, well the 30 of us in the club who applied for LBR variations immediately it became possible, did. This was in the late 90s. As alien as it sounds, not everything went on the internet then and there was a lot of "shooting stuff" that went on before you were perhaps involved in the sport.

FELWEG minutes of that time did record the arguments that surrounded LBRs. GCN and Snowdrop Campaign were at the "top table", whilst the NRA chased its ar$e.

A flavour of the time, early 2000, can be found here;

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 5/9506.htm

Para 104 discusses some LBR issues.

SCGC Self Contained Gas Cartridge. I.e. Brocock. And if you couldn't afford or qualify for the certification for the move to s1 of this gun type, not only could you not sell, recieve, gift or trade in the guns, they had to be surrendered to the police for destruction. Without compensation. Figures quoted at the time that it was believed there were some 80000 of this gun type in circulation, but only 4000 or do either put them on FAC or surrender for destruction.

Likewise, handguns weren't banned, they were just moved to a different category of the legislation, as will any future.

Crack on and buy your LR, nobody is saying anything to the contrary.

joe wrote:
What primary legislation do you envision?

That's a nightmare I'll keep to myself...