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Devon seems to be anything above 0 requires an alarm. Not sure when monitored kicks in


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RobB wrote:Devon seems to be anything above 0 requires an alarm. Not sure when monitored kicks in


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We have around 15 between us. Already had a none monitored alarm and it has not been mentioned yet. A friend was asked to put a shed alarm on the safe once he got to around 6.

I've done a quick search for guidelines and found this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... dbook-2005

It seems, depending on where you live, that over twelve firearms is the upper threshold for higher security.
All manner of considerations come into play regarding the location of the house, local crime stats, your particular type of firearms and desirability etc. etc.

Turns out I forgot to mention that I've had all the doors and windows replaced with modern double-glazed PVC framed items that all have deadlocks which would count in my favour. I've now ordered a loud motion alarm (not a cheap Chinese item) for the room so hopefully if there are concerns raised when the FO passes the paperwork back that will iron things out.

The overarching thread running through the Firearms Security Handbook is that the number of firearms is in itself NOT justification for requiring an uplift in security, particularly an alarm. There must be other factors that make the requirement necessary.

From ten to twelve guns, with all other things being equal, then no, an alarm is not required. It's there in black and white.

This all looks part and parcel of Firearms Certifcations departments push to meet their twin targets of reducing the number of FACs and the number of firearms held.

That seems blatant anti gun ownership and as Simon says there are no hard an fast rules on alarms in relation to the number of firearms held, it is all to do with the risk and managing that.

Sim G wrote:The overarching thread running through the Firearms Security Handbook is that the number of firearms is in itself NOT justification for requiring an uplift in security, particularly an alarm. There must be other factors that make the requirement necessary.

From ten to twelve guns, with all other things being equal, then no, an alarm is not required. It's there in black and white.

'appen as maybe but as we know being right doesn't necessarily protect us from grief when it comes to FAC applications and variations.

My application has been in since September and it seems only now has it risen to the top of the pile. If buying a £20 German made alarm makes the difference between a lot of back and forth with the Firearms Dept as opposed to them just issuing my variation then I'll take the soft option.

To be fair it's never been mentioned before when renewing or varying- never a glitch since 1983 and I've always had a decent amount of firearms. Also the FO did say it'd bring me on the cusp not tip me over. I vaguely recall he said it might be something to consider when my next renewal comes around.

...my two active 24hour monitoring alarms are possibly too sensitive.
They bark at the least noise outside the house.

Still, cleaner than having geese roaming around crapping on the carpets

when I moved, the FEO mentioned that I had a lot of guns, and said that the alarm that is in the house (fitted by previous owner) isn't really up to scratch, that I would need a monitored alarm. So I said that it was 'my understanding that number of guns isn't a trigger for security upgrades, is crime that bad round here?' he looked a bit uneasy and said, no it's ok, I'm sure your alarm is suitiable.

so basically they seem to just try it on

bradaz11 wrote:when I moved, the FEO mentioned that I had a lot of guns, and said that the alarm that is in the house (fitted by previous owner) isn't really up to scratch, that I would need a monitored alarm. So I said that it was 'my understanding that number of guns isn't a trigger for security upgrades, is crime that bad round here?' he looked a bit uneasy and said, no it's ok, I'm sure your alarm is suitiable.

so basically they seem to just try it on

I tend to agree. It doesn't help that the guidelines, which are not law, seem to be dipped into with such variance all over the country. If the Home Office felt the statistics warranted it then there should be a standard requirement in place so that everybody knows where they stand. And if stats don't support measures beyond a required standard then it shouldn't be permitted for forces to make them up as they go.

In my opinion a house alarm is a no brainer if you have a few grands worth of guns/valuables in the house. £200 will get a decent brand one with a few sensors and which will call a phone number/s when it goes off.

A shed alarm on the room the cabinets are in? Come on, that might tick a box, but we should be thinking about real security not box ticking.

Every month at least I seem to read of a ticket holder getting robbed, I would rather have an alarm rigged to sensors that I have planned and placed internally, and that is going to go loud outside on my street, and alert all the neighbours to look out their windows, than a 'shed' alarm on an internal room.