Permanently attached suppressors ?

[breacher]

How about a permanently attached sleeve to achieve the legal length and a suppressor that screwed onto the barrel within the sleeve .

Yes but barrel cannot be sub 6" while chambered - even for a few secs before welding on the mod to bring it back up to 12"

However, I just MAY have a solution - a guy who has ( apparently ) taken a 12" barrel, threaded it but instead of just 1" of threading at muzzle, he threaded 6" of the barrel. Then he screwed an empty / stripped mod on and welded it. He then ( and this is the time consuming bit ) used some sort of drill bit type machine tool to remove the 6" threaded portion entering from the open end of the mod. He then replaced the baffles and end cap.

So, the overall length remained 12" at all times. This has come third hand from a RFD who heard of it being done years ago.

Have to take some advice as to whether it IS actually possible to machine WITHIN the confines of the already fitted mod...........

If is IS possible, it would allow this sort of configuration on an existing barrel rather than starting from scratch with an unchambered blank as Lantac does.

[Swamp Donkey]

Rubbish.

There are provisions in place to allow this. Its no different to taking the stock off a 10/22, makes it sub 24", but legal as it is 'disassembled'
As part of the manufacturing process, it would be fine.

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[TattooedGun]

Rubbish.

There are provisions in place to allow this. Its no different to taking the stock off a 10/22, makes it sub 24", but legal as it is 'disassembled'
As part of the manufacturing process, it would be fine.

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There's a difference between being disassembled and being chopped down below legal limits.

You can disassemble a stock and put it back together and nobody would A. Know, and B. be able to prove it was done beyond reasonable doubt.

You can't really cut down a barrel and hide the fact that you've turned a legal barrel into a cut down and extended legal barrel without having a reasonable explanation of how it was done, without at some point being made illegal.

For the most part, I presume, it's about being able to provide proof in a court of law, if it ever came up, that you have never, at any point, been in possession of Section 5 equipment.

You speak of provisions in place to allow this, do you have reference to the legislation that says as much?

[breacher]

Interesting point - a RFD can shorten a shotgun to under min length if it is to effect a repair bringing it back to legal length.

The legislation mentions shotguns but makes no mention of firearms for such shortening and returning to legal length.

[ovenpaa]

I had a recent discussion with my firearms manager regarding the legality of replacing the brace on an LBR and he was quite happy for me to remove the old brace and attach a new one in a permanent manner. He was of the opinion that an RFD is a trusted person and the work was purely maintenance/repair as opposed to converting to S5 so no issues.

Regarding the suppressor, it is quite possible to counter bore a 12"/300,0mm barrel to a pre-determined length and modify it to act as the baffle without ever straying away from S1, then sleeve it and it works OK however the barrel will obviously need to be submitted for proof if it was ever to be sold. You can also thread at the back end and add a register to the front of the barrel which makes cleaning simplicity itself.

[breacher]

I had a recent discussion with my firearms manager regarding the legality of replacing the brace on an LBR and he was quite happy for me to remove the old brace and attach a new one in a permanent manner. He was of the opinion that an RFD is a trusted person and the work was purely maintenance/repair as opposed to converting to S5 so no issues.

Regarding the suppressor, it is quite possible to counter bore a 12"/300,0mm barrel to a pre-determined length and modify it to act as the baffle without ever straying away from S1, then sleeve it and it works OK however the barrel will obviously need to be submitted for proof if it was ever to be sold. You can also thread at the back end and add a register to the front of the barrel which makes cleaning simplicity itself.

So, from the first paragraph - shortening a .22 chambered barrel to sub 12" and immediately welding on a moderator bringing it back to 12" would be considered maintenance / repair ?

[ovenpaa]

Sorry, but I don't feel qualified to comment on the legality of such things which is why I always ask. It will need some care with the welding as the heat can easily pull the tube over however a suitable jig or do the work in a lathe would work, again TIG welding is the only way forward for such things.

[breacher]

Sorry, but I don't feel qualified to comment on the legality of such things which is why I always ask. It will need some care with the welding as the heat can easily pull the tube over however a suitable jig or do the work in a lathe would work, again TIG welding is the only way forward for such things.

I understand - but your FEO s response sounded refreshingly common sense.

Maybe pinning might be less risky in terms of barrel damage ?

[breacher]

Regarding the suppressor, it is quite possible to counter bore a 12"/300,0mm barrel to a pre-determined length and modify it to act as the baffle without ever straying away from S1, then sleeve it and it works OK however the barrel will obviously need to be submitted for proof if it was ever to be sold. You can also thread at the back end and add a register to the front of the barrel which makes cleaning simplicity itself.

I like that idea !!!

[breacher]

Well - it appears this question has already been asked of a Police Licensing Dept a few years ago by a guy who wanted it in writing before chopping sub 12".

And he got the go ahead - so, at least there is a precedent !

Link added ( mods feel free to delete if its an issue linking to another shooting forum )

http://www.shootforum.com/forum/viewtop ... 8&start=15


Well, there is only one way to get a definitive answer I guess - will pop a letter to FLD and see what they say..........