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"component parts" - R v Clarke (F) 82 Cr App R.308 CA states that the componet part of a prohibited weapon is itself a prohibited weapon. Although there is no statutory definition, The Home Office Guidance to the Police at Paragraph 13.70 states the following:

The term "component part" may be held to include (i) the barrel, chamber, cylinder, (ii) frame, body or receiver, (iii) breech, block, bolt or other mechanism for containing the charge at the rear of the chamber (iv), any other part of the firearm upon which the pressure caused by firing the weapon impinges directly. Magazines, sights and furniture are notconsidered component parts.

R v Ashton, CA, 1 February 2007 seems to suggest that any part that stops the weapon functioning as it was designed would be a component part:

"Whether in fact this particular gas plug is a component part of a prohibited weapon, is a matter of fact for the court to decide ... the words have their ordinary natural meaning. ... as a matter of reasonable interpretation it means a part that is manufactured to the purpose ... screw or washer, would not be a component part for present purposes. Similarly, a component part must be a part that if it were removed, the Gun could not function without it."

Bolts and magazines (for a No 4, SMLE and CZ452) kept in a separate cabinet.

What about the trigger???

:-P

What about the trigger???

I love it :lol: :lol:

Out and de-cocked.

Vince

Dangermouse wrote:I am assuming that "elsewhere" is another secure cabinet?

I leave all mine in as I
a, have not given it much thought,
b, have seen several shooters turn up without them.

DM

Leave mine in as well. I only have two bolt guns, the rest are lever and semi rimfire. Just seems a bit pointless really when all my cabinets are located in the same place.......

Also seen some travel miles to a shoot without the appropriate bolt!

In and de-cocked.

I only have 1 gun (out of 7) where the bolt is easily removed/inserted (all the others are semi/straight-pull/lever etc) so that one comes out and goes in the ammo compartment inside the main safe, all the others stay in the guns.

At the end of the day if some toe-rag has broken/cut their way into the main safe the lock on the ammo compartment isn't going to much of a problem so its a bit of a waste of time :(

Dangermouse wrote:http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/firearms/#a01

"component parts" - R v Clarke (F) 82 Cr App R.308 CA states that the componet part of a prohibited weapon is itself a prohibited weapon. Although there is no statutory definition, The Home Office Guidance to the Police at Paragraph 13.70 states the following:

The term "component part" may be held to include (i) the barrel, chamber, cylinder, (ii) frame, body or receiver, (iii) breech, block, bolt or other mechanism for containing the charge at the rear of the chamber (iv), any other part of the firearm upon which the pressure caused by firing the weapon impinges directly. Magazines, sights and furniture are notconsidered component parts.

R v Ashton, CA, 1 February 2007 seems to suggest that any part that stops the weapon functioning as it was designed would be a component part:

"Whether in fact this particular gas plug is a component part of a prohibited weapon, is a matter of fact for the court to decide ... the words have their ordinary natural meaning. ... as a matter of reasonable interpretation it means a part that is manufactured to the purpose ... screw or washer, would not be a component part for present purposes. Similarly, a component part must be a part that if it were removed, the Gun could not function without it."

I'm glad the Home Office didn't take this view when i specifically asked them about the 9mm LRA rifle i had that was declared Section 5, or it would still be languishing in Cleveland plods armoury :evil:

Dennis (or was it Derek) Wilma of the HO firearms section wrote me a personal letter stating that component parts for a Section 5 firearm are themselves Section 1 items! :G

I keep mine in the rifles. I started off keeping them separate but it seemed a bit of a pointless chore given that I'm only going to put them in the ammo section of my cabinet anyway. I've managed to forget magazines before now and I don't want to add bolts to that list.

I've heard some people describe removing bolts as potentiating dangerous. I've never asked for elaboration on that point but I presume they're thinking about getting the wrong bolt in the gun could create a dangerous situation. It's certainly not inconceivable that you might do that if you own more than one Lee Enfield, for example.