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So if a HO rifle club set up their own miniature rifle range on the premises then they could own and loan out LBPs to members?

No.

Short and sweet!

See SimG's penultimate post.

So my take on all this is they probably need to pop the LBP away and stick to the .22 Sturmgewehr replicas!

Sim G wrote:

TattooedGun wrote:the same Home office exemption which allows users to borrow rifles at a club specifically disallows LBP/S1 Shotguns and rifles exceeding 10,000ft/lbs - however it is completely separate to the miniature rifle range stipulation which is vague and only mentions firearms of less than .23 calibre - of which LBPs fit the bill.

Unfortunately, s11(4) states;

“no firearms are used other than air weapons or miniature rifles not exceeding ·23 inch calibre”

Ah, my mistake. should have had some coffee this morning...

Warky wrote:So if a HO rifle club set up their own miniature rifle range on the premises then they could own and loan out LBPs to members?

As a HO club?

No

As a range owner?

Yes :)

But we don't use the LBP for the reason that the miniature rifle range exemption only covers rifles and secondly in wouldn't want an untrained person shooting one, muzzle angled are too great.

Thorney wrote:

Warky wrote:So if a HO rifle club set up their own miniature rifle range on the premises then they could own and loan out LBPs to members?

As a HO club?

No

As a range owner?

Yes :)

If you don’t mind me asking, how? s16 instead of s15 of the 88 Act?

Sim G wrote:

Thorney wrote:

Warky wrote:So if a HO rifle club set up their own miniature rifle range on the premises then they could own and loan out LBPs to members?

As a HO club?

No

As a range owner?

Yes :)

If you don’t mind me asking, how? s16 instead of s15 of the 88 Act?

S16 has been replaced by PCA2017, S130(2)b is the relevant part.

Sim G wrote:
If you don’t mind me asking, how? s16 instead of s15 of the 88 Act?

S16 of the 1988 FA has now been supplanted by S130 of the Policing and Crime Act and specifically states 'rifles and shotguns' so it couldn't be used as an exemption either
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2 ... ection/130

The whole thing is a massive mess. I still think theres a load of people with now off-ticket 'firearms' in the form of receivers that had been sold to them as 'accessories' but are now 100% licensable items by S125 (1)(c) and (1D) (b) of the Policing and Crime Act. In fact i know of a well known retailer thats STILL selling receivers without the buyer having to have a slot on their FAC