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Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:44 am
by rox
waterford103 wrote:bradaz11 wrote:rox wrote:
or, you hand him a rifle (and a non-licensed part). He hands you back a rifle.
Either way, as I understand it, it is that 'transfer' of a rifle (or barrel) from him to you that brings about the requirement to proof. Liability insurers might have something to say about it too.
If I give an RFD a non proofed arm to replace a trigger spring say, would it then need to be proofed before it is handed back?
Only if he charges you . If for instance someone took a shotgun to an rfd for examination and it was declared unsafe or barrels out of proof he could hand it back to you , he might want you to sign a disclaimer stating that you know it's condition . The gun is legally yours but if he accepts payment for work done then ha accepts responsibility for it. I wouldn't like to fight the point in court and neither should he.
Ok, so I unscrew my unproofed barrel, hand over the rest of the rifle to have the trigger spring replaced. Would that be ok?
Which part of the law is it that changes depending on whether payment is made?
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Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:34 pm
by Sim G
Despite whatever transaction, charging or bartering system is in place, do you really want to give a bloke a rifle and have him chamber and fit your own new barrel without having it reproofed?
Even really, really good gunsmiths cock it up sometimes....
Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:03 pm
by Mattnall
rox wrote:
Which part of the law is it that changes depending on whether payment is made?
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The way it has been explained to me goes along the lines of;
If a component is 'transferred' other than to an rfd it needs to be in proof. Transferred could mean written on an FAC or off RFD register.
Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:21 pm
by ovenpaa
My take is the only way this job can be lawfully undertaken and shot without Proof is if the OP does the job himself. You then have the potential issues of insurance at the range if it is not in Proof.
Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
by The Gun Pimp
Sim G wrote:Despite whatever transaction, charging or bartering system is in place, do you really want to give a bloke a rifle and have him chamber and fit your own new barrel without having it reproofed?
Even really, really good gunsmiths cock it up sometimes....
So do the Proof House!
Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:13 pm
by Rarms
RFD's insurance will probably insist he does it also.
Re: barrel proofing - that old chestnut!
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:24 pm
by waterford103
The Gun Pimp wrote:Sim G wrote:Despite whatever transaction, charging or bartering system is in place, do you really want to give a bloke a rifle and have him chamber and fit your own new barrel without having it reproofed?
Even really, really good gunsmiths cock it up sometimes....
So do the Proof House!
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