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Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:11 am
by Chuck
Seems Strathclyde acquired some nice AE's or whatever in .338 Lapua..prizes for guessing the law enforcement applications of that calibre??

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:17 am
by Blackstuff
Back to OP, Durham ARV's use flat nose FMJ in their pistols and MP5's, or at least they did 2 years ago. No idea what would be in the G36's but i would assume hollow/soft rounds to help prevent over penetration

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:37 am
by Mike357
rox wrote:
zzr1100 wrote:incedentally i have been told that merseyside police hace at least one .458 magnum in the armoury ... 10 points for the first person to guess why !!
Similar question for 5 points:

South Wales Police .50 cal capability.

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Rampaging Valley girls or rugby players :lol:

Re: UK police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:43 am
by Dangermouse
I believe the Met adopting new ammunition was well covered by the media at the beginning of the year:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 90&amp&amp

Clearly the Police ea not bound by the Hague convention as that was drawn up with wars in mind and the military - The Police were using firearms before the Hague convention was drawn up, so it was not something that came along at a later stage and slipped through the net.

Over penetration and stopping characteristics are the reasons behind it, although as can be seen from recent news there is no magical ammunition that will stop immediately on impact.
Personally speaking I am somewhat concerned about the reliability of the new ammunition and the number of stoppages it is causing.

As far as rifle ammunition is concerned, the Police will use whatever they need to get the job done.
There are rounds for vehicles, armour as well as glass all of which can be encountered during a criminal activity as well as the more topical terrorist attack.


Not likely to happen here?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1010974.stm

Diggers and heavy plant make regular appearances at crime scenes and are normally used by organised gangs who do not want to get arrested.

Most of the larger Forces will have a big calibre for airport work, where getting close is not possible,

DM

Re: UK police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:50 am
by rox

Dangermouse wrote:Most of the larger Forces will have a big calibre for airport work, where getting close is not possible
5 points!

Penetrating cockpit glass, Rhoose being one of the most westerly points to bring down a trans-Atlantic flight.

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Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:51 am
by Chuck
Sometimes wonder if these decions based on the movies and wish for bigger toys to impress neighbouring police forces LOL.

Anyone on the Lapua yet..the answer may surprise you.

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pm
by Mike357
Chuck wrote:Seems Strathclyde acquired some nice AE's or whatever in .338 Lapua..prizes for guessing the law enforcement applications of that calibre??
Perp wearing body armour?

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:20 pm
by Chuck
Nope.....The offical cooent from lapua is the .338 has























NO LAW ENFORCEMENT application! :0037:

Who am I to argue with Lapua...

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:23 pm
by ovenpaa
I remember someone telling me about the Police setting a car going round and round in circles and then shooting at it with .338 LM to see how many shots it took to stop it.

Quite a few apparently.

The guys who use them for a living tell me the .338LM is used purely for accuracy at distance and added stopping power.

Re: Uk police armed response

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:39 pm
by Sim G
Chuck wrote:Nope.....The offical cooent from lapua is the .338 has

NO LAW ENFORCEMENT application! :0037:

Who am I to argue with Lapua...

Lapua would say that, especially if it is clearly not law enforcement/military. Having no LE application makes the sale and movement around the world so much easier.......

Who would have said that .22-250 had an LE application? Probably no one, but, a number of UK forces used it as their rifle caliber.....