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Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:20 pm
by Pippin89
It depends on your definition of trophy hunting. For me trophy hunting is hunting for the SOLE purpose of getting the trophy. This I cannot agree with under any circumstances.
When there are other benefits involved such as culling or conservation then the hunting serves a purpose other than the trophy and therefore (in my mind at least) is no long trophy hunting.
As to where to draw the line on what constitutes "other benefits" is a whole other conversation of course!

As for the show cancellation.... what a load of b******ks!!

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:55 pm
by MistAgain
It seems strange that the shows owners have not put out some sort of statement yet ?

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:04 am
by Christel
It was a no go from the start.

There is only a finite amount of shows the UK can stand. Exhibitors are not interested in more shows as very often their costs are not covered by attending.

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:27 am
by Pete
This is worth a read, arguments for and against:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/maga ... g-animals/

But I still find it repugnant............

Pete

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:50 am
by Christel
Pete wrote:This is worth a read, arguments for and against:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/maga ... g-animals/

But I still find it repugnant............

Pete
A strange word to use, repugnant, as we are talking about a very natural cycle of life and death. Death to the animal, life to the people who eats it.

Meat does not come from Tesco.

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:13 am
by Pippin89
christel wrote:
Pete wrote:This is worth a read, arguments for and against:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/maga ... g-animals/

But I still find it repugnant............

Pete
A strange word to use, repugnant, as we are talking about a very natural cycle of life and death. Death to the animal, life to the people who eats it.

Meat does not come from Tesco.
I think its fair to say that when we are talking about Trophy hunting, it does not include hunting for food....

I am with Pete to some degree. Taking a life for the sole purpose of self gratification I find, for want of a better word, repugnant. When it serves another purpose such as food or protection of land or other animals etc. Then I don't have a problem with it and even take part in it. As long as it is done responsibly and sustainably of course. But for me taking a life needs to serve a purpose.

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:25 pm
by Pete
Christel, when did you last eat lion or rhino?

Pete

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:26 pm
by MistAgain
If Christel lived close to one of the safari companies hunting areas she would have been lucky enough to eat some lion or rhino , because as you probably know meat from the hunt goes to local people .

But as she doesnt live in Africa , she has to make do with meat that may well come from a factory farm where the animals have never seen an open field .

Unless of course she eats halal , and I dont think we should go there !

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:56 pm
by Pippin89
MistAgain wrote: Unless of course she eats halal , and I dont think we should go there !
Please don't.... That conversation normally ends up with me being banned from facebook groups.... lol lol lol

Re: "Great" British shooting show

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:04 pm
by Polchraine
MistAgain refers to Africa.

Put aside the "trophy hunting" of endangered species - lions, tigers and some rhinos, as those come into a different category.

There is trophy hunting of, say, specific breeds of antelope or other animals. In these cases a hunter (could be female too) will pay the national or regional government a fee to hunt. He will then probably employ local trackers and use local facilities and people to support him which will put money into teh local economy. On finding and culling his "trophy" he will be photographed and may have teh head mounted or skin taken and then is probably all. The meat will then be passed to the local village for their use.

The alternative is that the villagers go and hunt, kill the same animal and consume it ...

What is the difference? Not much except that the "big white hunter" has paid for the privilege and the local people make money from it which is probably more beneficial to them.