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Plainly speaking...the UK forces want to avoid having RFDs on their door step who help out their mates with cheap guns and ammo.

Hence there has to be a business plan in place along with the security.

That business plan is key and be able to demonstrate you are not just doing it for cheap bits for yourself and your mates.

When I started as an RFD all those years ago the firearms manager produced a list of 7 RFDs within a 5 mile radius of me. I sneaked a look and they were farm shops, angling shops and a couple of gun dealers I had never heard of. I simply pointed out none of them did what I planned on doing and they agreed. Amazingly, I was the only RFD in the area that had a small machine shop back then and even recently I have been told that they knew of nobody else with the capacity to do what we do here.

Sounds like its more trouble than its worth.

It is no trouble if you can demonstrate that you are intending to run a bona fide business that makes substantial contribution to your income.

Well - it does seem as though the requirement for a business plan has absolutely nothing to do with a person's fitness to be and safely operate as an RFD.

TRG-22 wrote:Well - it does seem as though the requirement for a business plan has absolutely nothing to do with a person's fitness to be and safely operate as an RFD.

The business plan and the security are the last hurdles - before then one has been vetted left right and centre - the vetting happens before the interview takes place. Some applicants do not even get to the interview.

Most of us know Alpha1 and we know that he is already vetted as an FAC holder. Which means we can skip all that and tell him about the business plan and the security as that would be the important things for him to know.

That's my point.

There is nothing whatsoever in the properties of a business plan which make any difference to the "verdict" of the vetting etc.

TRG-22 wrote:That's my point.

There is nothing whatsoever in the properties of a business plan which make any difference to the "verdict" of the vetting etc.

see, this is why people are calling you a troll - you are given an explanation, which someone took the time to reference for you, but you don't agree, and so just dismiss it

Sim G wrote:A dealer is defined at Section 57(4) of the Firearms Act 1968 as a person or a corporate body who, by way of trade or business: manufactures, sells, transfers, repairs, tests or proves firearms or ammunition to which section 1 of the Act applies, or shotguns; or sells or transfers air weapons. So if you no “business” you essentially do not meet the criteria as laid down in legislation.

it's all there, you cannot be a registered firearms dealer unless you fulfill the above! thats it. prove your business, all well and good, don't prove your business and don't become a dealer. now leave this thread alone so that alpha 1 can get the advice he is looking for without seeing all these replies people are making to you!. If you want to debate it, go start another thread so you can have 15 people tell you the same thing for you to ignore

bradaz11, to the point

TRG-22 wrote:That's my point.

There is nothing whatsoever in the properties of a business plan which make any difference to the "verdict" of the vetting etc.

I am fairly confident that when you went to school you sat several exams, one by one, in the end you passed.
Same with an RFD.