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Polchraine wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Surely clubs which store guns/RFDs need remote alarm systems, if not remote cameras?

The one broken into and linked above almost certainly did have - how else might the police have been called at 00:50?

The police will only attend a "confirmed" break-in or one they are advised requires attendance in a call from a monitoring company or their own records.

Remember, if there's the slightest chance that baddies might still be on the premises, the police will take as long as required and make as much noise as possible getting there. Unlike pub burglary when it's the softly softly approach 'cos 1st cops there get the most drink. My ex cop friend in East end of Glasgow, could never understand how the neds could apparently carry away so much booze!? (Insurance !!)

DL. wrote:

Mattnall wrote:SAOC?
Sunbeam Alpine Owners' Club?

(Google's only answer, I'm still in the dark)

Your google fu is weak "serious organised acquisitive crime"

Apparently so, but that would be SOAC - still can't find it even knowing the meaning.

Do they mean burglars?

Sounds made up to me.

SAOC = Serious And Organised Crime

A friend of mine who is an RFD from home has had two phone calls from the police stating that since lockdown there have been a number of break ins of RFDs and they even went to visit him so they knew the quickest way to his house!

We had an attempted but partly successful break-in about 4 weeks ago, just as the lock-down was coming in to affect. They broke into the range by cutting locks off (builders are in so there were plenty of tools around) and they stacked all the builders' tools by the door.

Rather than leave with their booty they saw the locked workshop and armoury door so decided to see what was in there (we don't advertise what we do here so we think it was just pure greed and curiosity). As soon as the door was opened the alarm went off, one of them must have been stuck in the broken door frame and took his time getting out. He grabbed a tray of 38 cases (I'd just prepped them for reloading) and they ran off as I chased the scumbags. They were in such a hurry that they dropped all the cases on the floor as they ran to the getaway car.
In the end apart from a broken workshop door and two cut padlocks they left not only the stashed builders' tool but their own tools too, unfortunately we don't get to keep them.
Luckily all the firearms had been moved due to the builder being in and the workshop being pulled apart now. The police turned up in about 5 minutes which is a good result and were as helpful as could be.

Polchraine wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Surely clubs which store guns/RFDs need remote alarm systems, if not remote cameras?

The one broken into and linked above almost certainly did have - how else might the police have been called at 00:50?

The police will only attend a "confirmed" break-in or one they are advised requires attendance in a call from a monitoring company or their own records.

Wow that's pretty sloppy. You'd think prevention of criminal access to firearms might be more of a priority for them. Chief Constables certainly seem to like to pretend it is on the news.

Blackstuff wrote:

Polchraine wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Surely clubs which store guns/RFDs need remote alarm systems, if not remote cameras?

The one broken into and linked above almost certainly did have - how else might the police have been called at 00:50?

The police will only attend a "confirmed" break-in or one they are advised requires attendance in a call from a monitoring company or their own records.

Wow that's pretty sloppy. You'd think prevention of criminal access to firearms might be more of a priority for them. Chief Constables certainly seem to like to pretend it is on the news.

Not really - "confirmed" in this context means that the alarm monitoring company or owner has seen multiple sensors activated for example door contact, or glass break, followed by PIR, or two separate PIRs for example which means there is an intruder rather than a single PIR which could be the cat or similar.

So how did they make off with guns/the police not get there in time if this place had a monitored alarm? Either the security was sloppy and didn't provide enough time for a response, the place wasn't properly monitored, the police didn't take it seriously or something else?