Full metal jacket range

[toffe wrapper]

I remember posting on another thread ( violent crime reduction bill) that this exception was not a good idea.
Various people defended it saying my opinion of a back door for criminals etc was wrong.
Showman's guild blah blah, insurance Blah Blah.

We its a F***** stupid thing, as proved by this case.

[walesdave]

I remember posting on another thread ( violent crime reduction bill) that this exception was not a good idea.
Various people defended it saying my opinion of a back door for criminals etc was wrong.
Showman's guild blah blah, insurance Blah Blah.

We its a F***** stupid thing, as proved by this case.

That's right - just like owning semi-auto rifles was a F***** stupid thing, as proved by Hungerford, and owning handguns was a F***** stupid thing, as proved by Dunblane....

I'm sure though that your chosen discipline (whatever it is) is a NOT F***** stupid thing as it's something you think is ok.

While the numpties in this case should have been prosecuted under different laws - I'm sure the H&S bods could have found something relevant, the miniature rifle club exemption is used many many small bore clubs to operate and in correctly run ranges is used to introduce non-shooters to the shooting sports without the need for clubs to arrange guest days etc.

[toffe wrapper]

I remember posting on another thread ( violent crime reduction bill) that this exception was not a good idea.
Various people defended it saying my opinion of a back door for criminals etc was wrong.
Showman's guild blah blah, insurance Blah Blah.

We its a F***** stupid thing, as proved by this case.

That's right - just like owning semi-auto rifles was a F***** stupid thing, as proved by Hungerford, and owning handguns was a F***** stupid thing, as proved by Dunblane....

I'm sure though that your chosen discipline (whatever it is) is a NOT F***** stupid thing as it's something you think is ok.

While the numpties in this case should have been prosecuted under different laws - I'm sure the H&S bods could have found something relevant, the miniature rifle club exemption is used many many small bore clubs to operate and in correctly run ranges is used to introduce non-shooters to the shooting sports without the need for clubs to arrange guest days etc.

I only said exemption was stupid, never said ban any firearm or any discipline or that Rim fire shooting was stupid. So why do you imply I did. And also assume and that I value 1 discipline more than another.
I am sure these guys got full force of law thrown at them and they got max possible.
A quick google shows how the exemption is being used by some, Assault Rifle shooting for Stag & Hen parties.
a .22 rim fire is not an assault rifle, Stag parties are not a sensible way of introducing people to shooting sports.

https://www.stagweb.co.uk/activities/as ... ing-uk.asp

[Chapuis]

I'm totally with WalesDave on this one, the exemption is not stupid and is essential to introduce new shooters to the sport and to allow normally non shooters the opportunity to give it a try. What is totally stupid, is the way that these "criminals" have totally abused the system for their own gain and to the detriment of the sport.

It has long been my opinion that good well managed and administered clubs are the backbone of target shooting in this country, and that where commercial concerns have been involved it has on occasion been to the detriment of the sport.

[Pippin89]

But the fact these people put it at risk with their stupidity, and were completely above the law, does call for some sort of change.

no it doesn't they went to court and were dealt with. if they were above the law, that wouldn't have happened.

DO NOT WISH MORE LAWS ON US

if you are found to be unsafe, there are more than enough laws in existence to deal with it.

I'm not sure if you read the article but they were NOT dealt with. They were let off of all charges relating to the range....
The only charge they were found guilty of was pointing a gun at their neighbour in public. The running of the range was legal and, as such, they were found innocent on all charges relating to this.

Sorry if it doesn't conform to what you think a firearms owner should believe but in my humble opinion they should not have been allowed access to firearms considering how they used them. If that calls for a change in law then so be it. I made a couple of very not-very-intrusive suggestions on how it could be dealt with that would allow it to be continued to use in the manner in which it is intended while also stopping "wannabe gangsters", as they have been described, from running p*** poor and dangerous ranges.

This range being in the public eye, and bringing knowledge of Section 11(4) to the media is not a good thing for its future use. Surely it is better to remove the improper use of it up front and stop any further incidents like this one so it is not used against the genuine users???

[Blackstuff]

I wonder how much ammo went 'missing' while they were operating

[Sim G]

The point is the “range”, the acquisition of firearms and ammunition was legal. The use in those circumstances was legal, but still people are calling for a repeal of that section!! FFS!

There are people up and down the country that use this exemption to shoot. Tiny little clubs, on the sides of village halls that go all the way back to the turn of the 20th century, remain because of this. Likewise, Stag Parties are a great idea!! They might not be the gateway to the stifled, rule driven utopia that some desire, but they certainly break down the barriers for ordinary people that shooting can be safe and fun! That can only help when there’s the next vilification of the Sport.

Don’t like it, ban it! Honestly, I am pig sick of the attitude of some within the sport. They truly have no idea how utterly destructive that is.

[waterford103]

The point is the “range”, the acquisition of firearms and ammunition was legal. The use in those circumstances was legal, but still people are calling for a repeal of that section!! FFS!

There are people up and down the country that use this exemption to shoot. Tiny little clubs, on the sides of village halls that go all the way back to the turn of the 20th century, remain because of this. Likewise, Stag Parties are a great idea!! They might not be the gateway to the stifled, rule driven utopia that some desire, but they certainly break down the barriers for ordinary people that shooting can be safe and fun! That can only help when there’s the next vilification of the Sport.

Don’t like it, ban it! Honestly, I am pig sick of the attitude of some within the sport. They truly have no idea how utterly destructive that is.

excellent post , forget all the whingers , this is the original intention of the section and should be upheld.

[bradaz11]

I'm not sure if you read the article but they were NOT dealt with. They were let off of all charges relating to the range....
The only charge they were found guilty of was pointing a gun at their neighbour in public. The running of the range was legal and, as such, they were found innocent on all charges relating to this.

Sorry if it doesn't conform to what you think a firearms owner should believe but in my humble opinion they should not have been allowed access to firearms considering how they used them. If that calls for a change in law then so be it. I made a couple of very not-very-intrusive suggestions on how it could be dealt with that would allow it to be continued to use in the manner in which it is intended while also stopping "wannabe gangsters", as they have been described, from running p*** poor and dangerous ranges.

This range being in the public eye, and bringing knowledge of Section 11(4) to the media is not a good thing for its future use. Surely it is better to remove the improper use of it up front and stop any further incidents like this one so it is not used against the genuine users???

They didn't break any laws in that regard so why should they be prosecuted? But they acted improperly with firearms and so were dealt with.
I think simg summed it up better than I can, esp when I'm typing on my phone, so I'll just say +1 to him.

[Mattnall]

I believe the owner/operator got convicted of possession of a firearm in a public place.