Getting a New Gun Delivered RFD to RFD

[bradaz11]

also with this. If I was to buy from say Dromia oop north, but have my gun delivered to an RFD in Bristol, would I need to send my FAC to Dromia to fill out, as I have bought the gun from him, and if it was 2ndhand, the local RFD is hardly likely to want to offer me any guarantees on it...

[Rockhopper]

Also if the gun is out of proof then the RFD can't hand it over to you.

[Blackstuff]

Yes, and no the local RFD would be in no way responsible for any problems that develop with the gun. The 'proper' way of doing the transfer effectively just turns the RFD elements into a gun post office.

[Mattnall]

On the guidance to anyone who sells etc on my certificate No4 also says:

" 4.If you are selling a firearm and/or ammunition which will be sent or posted to another dealer for the buyer to collect in person, you should complete the table(s) and notify the police of the transaction concerning the firearm (as in 2 above). The dealer who actually hands over the firearm and/or ammunition should not complete the table(s) or notify the police except in circumstances which may require police investigation as above)."

This guidance is now being implemented as the legal interpretation has been decided to agree with this method of selling, to do otherwise is therefore illegal.

Ok then that means the RFD who hands over the firearm to the new owner (me) soon should not charge any fee for doing the paperwork, cos he aint done any.... result... but what if he does thats not playing fair...

"cos he aint done any"

Well, if he hasn't rented premises, hasn't got insurance, hasn't installed and paid for monitored alarm and other security systems, hasn't got RFD, hasn't spent any time writing in his register...

... then he doesn't deserve to, or even should, be an RFD.

If you expect all this for nothing then you are not a customer I would want.
Someone always wants something for nothing.

[Mattnall]

Do remember there may be VAT added along the way if dealers and cash are involved, even though for second hand sales where profit is taxed so may not apply there are trifling matters like shipping through Royal Mail (Yes you can ship section 1 and section 2 firearms through RM) You cannot claim VAT back on purchase of stamps however you have to charge the customer VAT on the transaction or foot the cost yourself.

The way it was explained to me by the VAT help centre (very helpful people BTW), there is no VAT on stamps but there is on postage (or shipping, S&H or P+P, etc.). These are classed as a service and are taxed at the relevant rate.

If you offer postage then you should charge VAT if you offer stamps don't charge VAT on the stamps part of the bill.

[Christel]

You are both correct...

However, if you buy stamps, stick them on the customer parcel you are sending, takes the parcel to the PO, gets proof of posting, then you have to charge the customer VAT because now you have bought a service (sending the parcel)

[GeeRam]

Just having a 'think out loud' moment on the basis of reading this thread........

But.....what's the legal situation then in the case of the owner/seller not being able to fill out the FAC, such as in the case of a sudden death?
What happens in terms of firearms disposal/transfer of ownership in such a situation?

[Chapuis]

Just having a 'think out loud' moment on the basis of reading this thread........

But.....what's the legal situation then in the case of the owner/seller not being able to fill out the FAC, such as in the case of a sudden death?
What happens in terms of firearms disposal/transfer of ownership in such a situation?

In the case of the death of a FAC holder the relatives/executor need to either lodge the firearms with an RFD or apply for a temporary permit so that the firearms can be legally held until disposed of or lawfully transferred. The police are usually very understanding and sympathetic and are happy to issue a temporary permit as long as the person that they are issuing it to is of good character and are not the black sheep of the family who has a long criminal record that would prevent them from normally possessing firearms.

[GeeRam]

Just having a 'think out loud' moment on the basis of reading this thread........

But.....what's the legal situation then in the case of the owner/seller not being able to fill out the FAC, such as in the case of a sudden death?
What happens in terms of firearms disposal/transfer of ownership in such a situation?

In the case of the death of a FAC holder the relatives/executor need to either lodge the firearms with an RFD or apply for a temporary permit so that the firearms can be legally held until disposed of or lawfully transferred. The police are usually very understanding and sympathetic and are happy to issue a temporary permit as long as the person that they are issuing it to is of good character and are not the black sheep of the family who has a long criminal record that would prevent them from normally possessing firearms.

My question was really, if lodged with RFD to be sold, who signs the FAC to the new owner, as they aren't owned by the RFD, as highlighted by this thread......??
And the estate/executor can't pressumably make the entry as not owned/FAC holder etc.....?
Is this yet another.....oh we forgot about this situation when we made this rule scenario.....??

[Chapuis]

If they are lodged with a RFD then the RFD will sign the FAC when he transfers the firearm to the new owner. He will of course only do so after receiving instructions to do so from the executor of the estate.