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Sim G wrote:There is no such thing as a prohibited component unless it has formed part of a prohibited weapon. Once it has formed part of the prohibited weapon, then it is a prohibited component, no before.

Hence in illustration, take a lower, machine it, fit a full auto trigger and attach it to a straight pull upper, that conforms to length demensions, then the firearm falls under s1 and is not prohibited. Likewise, the component part are also s1.

You would have a Sec5a, full auto Straight Pull. You cannot legally possess the lower receiver without Sec5 authority.
In this case its irrelevant how you assemble it, the lower component is illegal.
How do you even think its OK to possess a complete lower receiver assembly of an M4 or M16 assault rifle without Sec5 authority? Im staggered.

c. under section 5 of the 1968 Act, it is an offence for a person to possess, purchase,
acquire, MANUFACTURE, sell, transfer, possess for sale or transfer, or purchase or acquire
for sale or transfer, a COMPONENT part of a PROHIBITED WEAPON without the authority of
the Secretary of State for the Home Department or by Scottish Ministers in Scotland

How can the MANUFACTURE of a COMPONENT part of a PROHIBITED WEAPON be controlled under Sec5 if there is no such thing exists until a complete gun is made and then stripped to component level.

AR15 wrote: You would have a Sec5a, full auto Straight Pull.

A FULL AUTO STRAIGHT PULL??!!!!!

Yeah, I'm done now....

Sim G wrote:

AR15 wrote: You would have a Sec5a, full auto Straight Pull.

A FULL AUTO STRAIGHT PULL??!!!!!

Yeah, I'm done now....

Your deliberately missing the point. You can call the thing whatever you want.
Actually answer the question WHY the manufacture of prohibited weapon components is controlled under Sec5, if, as according to you they dont exist until a gun has been assembled.
Your interpretation of the guidance is wrong and you know it.

The sad thing is that there are ill informed people having opinions here that may get somebody into trouble down the line.

Sim G wrote:

AR15 wrote: You would have a Sec5a, full auto Straight Pull.

A FULL AUTO STRAIGHT PULL??!!!!!

Yeah, I'm done now....

And the "full auto straight pull" was uttered in the same thread as "idiocy".

Priceless !!!!!!!

Fair play to you Sim, you lasted longer than me !!

breacher wrote:

Sim G wrote:

AR15 wrote: You would have a Sec5a, full auto Straight Pull.

A FULL AUTO STRAIGHT PULL??!!!!!

Yeah, I'm done now....

And the "full auto straight pull" was uttered in the same thread as "idiocy".

Priceless !!!!!!!

Fair play to you Sim, you lasted longer than me !!

Nothing is more idiotic than your understanding of the law. And your agreeing with the guy who thinks its OK to own an M4 / M16 assault rifle receiver.

You think its funny I called it a Sec5a full auto straight pull and obviously its ridiculous. But that describes what it is. Now it cannot function as such obviously. It can fire a round but cannot fire full auto. The most important factor is that YOU CANNOT POSSESS the lower receiver in the first place, so whatever you stick it on is irrelevant.

Try and make one and see what happens.

Wasn't there some drama with a straight pull rifle that The Proof House found to have a full auto lower within the last few years?
Couple of RFDs put out of business over the whole thing.

BamBam wrote:Wasn't there some drama with a straight pull rifle that The Proof House found to have a full auto lower within the last few years?
Couple of RFDs put out of business over the whole thing.

Quite possibly.

I have done my best to advise you but you would rather take the p*** out of what was intended as a not exactly serious comment, you would rather do that than answer any of the questions put to you in regard to your understanding of the guidelines and how they make no sense as compared to the wording of those documents.
I was talking to a Proof Master earlier and he agreed with me that a manufactured short barrel would fall within a Sec5aba component, it has nowhere else to go.
Other Sec5 dealers I have business dealings with agree too.
Neither of you possess Sec5 authority and neither of you have had any sort instruction from the Home Office as to how you should handle Sec5 components that you have manufactured.
Your understanding of the guidelines is dangerously wrong.
Do other people a favor and dont advise them, you will just get somebody into real trouble eventually.

With this wealth of knowledge that is here , perhaps someone can tell me if the Long Barrel Smith & Wesson Revolvers are legal here ?

I take it the discussion is over? I was glued to this last night, hot stuff clapclap