Permanently attached suppressors ?

[breacher]

I take it the discussion is over? I was glued to this last night, hot stuff clapclap

Yes - unfortunately it got to the point that one party felt that anybody who did not see it his way was a moron or an idiot.

[AR15]

What we ended up with was Dum & Dummer.
With one of these individuals (who is a Police officer) thinking its OK to own a Full Auto M4/M16 Lower Receiver. Stating that there are no such things as component parts of prohibited weapons unless they have been assembled.
We can all have full auto lowers and gassed up upper receivers as long as you never put the two parts together.
God help us if he is ever called out to investigate.

The other one interprets the guidance to fit what he wants it to say and disregards parts that he doesn't like.

Neither of them are Sec5 dealers, but one has a wonky email from the Home Office and is now a prohibited weapons expert.

I'm more than happy to explain, to their faces, how stupid they both are too.

An actual real danger to the public.

[breacher]

Sim G - have you had a late night telephone call ? With drunken threats of bodily harm ?

[Gazza]

Wheres the popcorn scoffing icon Christel? I'm here for the day again.

[Sim G]

No, what we ended up with was an ego far bigger than a forum. Because he's skilled with a lathe and spanner, he certainly appears llacking in other areas. It was easier to leave him with his delusional personality.

But just to finish, explain to me how we have straight pull L1A1s, Beretta BM59s, FALs, M14s, M1 Garands and Carbines and ARs of other makes than yours, all containing "s5 components" as per your description, but freely on s1? Individual U.K. specific manufacturing lines for some of these long since discontinued military weapons? Likewise, why certain straight pulls submitted for proof caused such drama for certain RFDs? I do know, but let's see if when you're not directed to legislation, guidance or case law are able to discern on your own..... Hopefully without the use of hallucinigenics considering the paranoia and rage displayed so far! Oh yeah, and without your own created category of "full auto straight pulls"!

And on that note, not once did I turn anything personal. I was happy to have the debate, because guess what, you might not be as well informed as you think. But, evidently, your reputation didn't take long to surface and the "gossip" certainly rings more true than was previously given credit for. What a real shame...

[Sim G]

Sim G - have you had a late night telephone call ? With drunken threats of bodily harm ?

I haven't? Did you have one....?

[RDC]

Gazza, stop stirring. Although you might enjoy the drama, stuff like this can negatively impact the reputation of the forum when people read all the bickering and bull.

[Gazza]

Gazza, stop stirring. Although you might enjoy the drama, stuff like this can negatively impact the reputation of the forum when people read all the bickering and bull.

I'm not stirring, I just find it rather entertaining and enlightening but pardon me if you are offended.
I could pick faults with both sides of the argument but I am not, I'm just sitting back and watching with the occasional lighthearted comment.
The action of you saying I'm stirring is in fact causing a stir

[breacher]

Gazza, stop stirring. Although you might enjoy the drama, stuff like this can negatively impact the reputation of the forum when people read all the bickering and bull.

No - we had 10 pages of POLITE debate until AR15 turned up. He started with the personal insults.

Until his arrival, observers saw debate. Then they saw someone unable to accept that anybody can have a differing view ( unless they are a moron or an idiot )

Even the author of the e-mail from the home office is wrong !

I bet that if someone is taken to court ( a certain Sec5 have done a few of these conversions so they ARE out there ) and the Judge found in their favour, AR15 would STILL say he is right and the Judge is wrong.

If there are any fears of "perception" the mods have the power to move to GoM.

As I said, we had over 10 pages of polite debate.................

[AR15]

No, what we ended up with was an ego far bigger than a forum. Because he's skilled with a lathe and spanner, he certainly appears llacking in other areas. It was easier to leave him with his delusional personality.

But just to finish, explain to me how we have straight pull L1A1s, Beretta BM59s, FALs, M14s, M1 Garands and Carbines and ARs of other makes than yours, all containing "s5 components" as per your description, but freely on s1? Individual U.K. specific manufacturing lines for some of these long since discontinued military weapons? Likewise, why certain straight pulls submitted for proof caused such drama for certain RFDs? I do know, but let's see if when you're not directed to legislation, guidance or case law are able to discern on your own..... Hopefully without the use of hallucinigenics considering the paranoia and rage displayed so far! Oh yeah, and without your own created category of "full auto straight pulls"!

And on that note, not once did I turn anything personal. I was happy to have the debate, because guess what, you might not be as well informed as you think. But, evidently, your reputation didn't take long to surface and the "gossip" certainly rings more true than was previously given credit for. What a real shame...

SimG, I have been on the other end of personal abuse from you on his forum, as have others, so dont start that sort of thing.

Like I said before, you can have component parts of Sec5 1ab firearms as when disassembled they are Sec1. If someone has assembled what he thinks is a sec1 firearm using Sec5 components from either 5a or 5aba he is going to get in trouble.
You still have not answered the question as to why the guidance states it is an offence to manufacture a Sec5 component part, if by your opinion these things dont exist.
Im more than happy to have a calm debate with you but the problem is people like Breacher are biased and have another agenda.
I have never talked to him either btw. I don't appreciate the insinuation that I have threatened somebody either.
He is just as guilty of what you are accusing me of, ie cannot win a debate so results to attacks.
I have become frustrated is all.