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"The seller is not a trusted trader of bladed products???" WTF.......are we talking fish knives AND Samurai swords here?

The thought that these clowns are being paid (handsomely) to argue the toss over this nonsense is sapping my will to live.....................

Pete

Reading the paragraph below, SGC Lever-release rifles are perfectly legal as the cycling of rounds is interrupted and a separate lever is required..... whereas a MARS is illegal as operation of the trigger alone allows the cycling of rounds:

78B* Page 33, line 13, leave out from ““(ag)” to end of line 19 and insert “any rifle which ejects an empty cartridge case using energy which comes (directly or indirectly) from propellant gas and subsequently chambers a cartridge by mechanical means solely through the operation of the firing trigger mechanism, other than a rifle which is chambered for rim fire cartridges;”

However the next paragraph seems to throw a spanner in the works for those of us with Lever-Release Rifles:
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(ah) any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using—
(i) energy from propellant gas,

Pete wrote:"The seller is not a trusted trader of bladed products???" WTF.......are we talking fish knives AND Samurai swords here?

The thought that these clowns are being paid (handsomely) to argue the toss over this nonsense is sapping my will to live.....................

Pete

I know! And their clinging to the irrelevant 'bump stock' in a land where semi-automatic rifles above .22 LR are beyond the average citizen.

Anything relevant to bladed weapons, noxious fluids, et al are already well-catered for within statutes already.
What's needed isn't cunning ways to punish shopkeepers and sundry businesses - it's the will to apprehend and properly punish the criminals that misuse them.

But that'd mean spending serious money on more police, building more prisons, and handing out the sort of sentences that don't have offenders smirking as they automatically cut their already risible sentences in half in their heads even before they're taken down to the holding cell.

I so wish our governments would stop blaming the tool and focus on the scumbag holding it.

you'd think someone, somewhere in gvmt, would benifit from contracts for new prisons, like the PM's wife, doesn't he own a huge share in G4S? sure he wouldn't mind a load of new prisons to staff and run poorly, all while getting a fat paycheck

wonder why more prisons are always a sore point to be ignored, is it because all the naughty people obviously just need cuddles?

What I'd really like to see amongst all this bo...cks is a firm undertaking that Home Office guidance on firearm ownership, applications, renewals, security, etc. etc. should be adhered to and reliably followed instead of each force adding their own pet quirks. I should be able to move from one end of the country to the other safe in the knowledge that what was applicable in Oxfordshire is the same as anywhere else in the country without some senior plod's personal little gem thrown in.

You are as delusional as Theresa May and the rest of Parliment

What we badly need is a well paid well trained national police force all reading off the same page.

Pete

Dark Skies wrote:What I'd really like to see amongst all this bo...cks is a firm undertaking that Home Office guidance on firearm ownership, applications, renewals, security, etc. etc. should be adhered to and reliably followed instead of each force adding their own pet quirks. I should be able to move from one end of the country to the other safe in the knowledge that what was applicable in Oxfordshire is the same as anywhere else in the country without some senior plod's personal little gem thrown in.

It wouldn't be Guidance then, it would be law...

Likewise, does the Chief Constable of Northumbria have the same priorities as the Chief Constable of Kent? North Wales police face the same issues as GMP? No, of course they don't. Chief Constables and their policies are more than challengable through various mechanisms, "discretion" lying with the Chief, as ultimately he/she is the man/woman who grants a certificate, is an underpinning facet of how the law is administered.

Pete wrote:What we badly need is a well paid well trained national police force all reading off the same page.

Pete

No we don't. Well, yes, we need to be better paid, but not all counties or regions have the same policing priorities.