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OMG, don't let that Russian guy see this

why oh why oh why oh why

kennyc wrote:

Steve E wrote:why the hell do you need a muzzle brake or moderator on a .223 or .308 ?. If 14 year old school girls can shoot a .308 Target rifle without these devices and achieve a place in the Queens Final during their first years shooting then no adult needs them. Man up and learn to shoot properly. Use a shooting jacket, glove and sling and you will have NO recoil to worry about.
Be aware that if you fit a 'brake and your muzzle blast is annoying shooters on firing points either side of you, then you have to wait to shoot until they have finished. Personally i would ban muzzle brakes on all ranges.

as you no doubt know, not all .308's are scaffold poles shot with bondage gear, horses for courses dear boy, no need to get all aeriated

:lol: (to both comments...)

We were shooting a 'bondage' comp on Century on Sunday - there was a group of shooters next to us all shooting AI, F/TR, Tactical rifles; a lot of them had muzzle brakes, and I have to say it can be quite loud when your head is only a few meters to the side of one...

...we didn't say anything, as they seemed a good bunch enjoying their day, and had some impressive rifles to look at...but it would good if the practice of putting a spare lane between those using brakes and others was used more often...

On the subject of recoil...make sure the butt is in your shoulder properly...and man up razz

Dougan wrote:

kennyc wrote:

Steve E wrote:why the hell do you need a muzzle brake or moderator on a .223 or .308 ?. If 14 year old school girls can shoot a .308 Target rifle without these devices and achieve a place in the Queens Final during their first years shooting then no adult needs them. Man up and learn to shoot properly. Use a shooting jacket, glove and sling and you will have NO recoil to worry about.
Be aware that if you fit a 'brake and your muzzle blast is annoying shooters on firing points either side of you, then you have to wait to shoot until they have finished. Personally i would ban muzzle brakes on all ranges.

as you no doubt know, not all .308's are scaffold poles shot with bondage gear, horses for courses dear boy, no need to get all aeriated

:lol: (to both comments...)

We were shooting a 'bondage' comp on Century on Sunday - there was a group of shooters next to us all shooting AI, F/TR, Tactical rifles; a lot of them had muzzle brakes, and I have to say it can be quite loud when your head is only a few meters to the side of one...

...we didn't say anything, as they seemed a good bunch enjoying their day, and had some impressive rifles to look at...but it would good if the practice of putting a spare lane between those using brakes and others was used more often...

On the subject of recoil...make sure the butt is in your shoulder properly...and man up razz

personally I prefer to be to the left of anyone with a muzzle brake.....anyone who has seen my AUG chuck brass will understand why tongueout

Graham;

If you specify noise reduction on your moderator application it probably won't be an issue.

Whether you go with a moderator or a brake it's entirely a personal choice. Felt recoil is different for all of us and I for one quite enjoy the 'push' produced by the .308. Whatever you do, enjoy it and welcome aboard.

Mezzer

It was behaving like the first video

......and it didn't hurt!

I was hitting 7's on the target at 100m which isn't bad for me.

I guess shooting prone it wouldn't do this with all my weight behind it!

Is that second video a 308?

Brilliant

Dougan wrote:but it would good if the practice of putting a spare lane between those using brakes and others was used more often...

90% of the problem is that people shooting with brakes usually haven't read the Bisley range regs and so don't notify the range office on the booking. Then they wonder why everyone else gets upset with them and start chuntering on about "bondage gear snobs" and so forth.

Gaz wrote:90% of the problem is that people shooting with brakes usually haven't read the Bisley range regs and so don't notify the range office on the booking. Then they wonder why everyone else gets upset with them and start chuntering on about "bondage gear snobs" and so forth.

Pretty close to the mark; although to be fair, the range office doesn't always allocate a gap in lanes even when they are told (allegedly.)

The other Gaz

Moderator and prone should do it then.

I suppose when hunting with these rifles it's one shot all day anyway.

Bondage gear?????????

Grahamcs wrote:Bondage gear?????????

Derogatory term for Olympic-style shooting with canvas/leather/synthetic jacket and sling.

I personally find MB's offensive and have had a deep seated dislike for them since some muppet let tip with a .339LM with an inadequately designed brake right next to me. Correctly designed brakes work very well and offer very little disruption to fellow shooters however I have only experienced shooting next to one correctly designed (experimental) system. The rest seem to be aimed as much towards aesthetics with a significant tactical bias.

A well designed suppressor is a far better solution for reducing perceived recoil and noise and should be able to cope with repeated shots without excessive mirage issues.

For the record MB's and suppressors are banned in many competition formats including F Class here in the UK