Now how is that going to work? - Straight Pull Stgw-57

[HALODIN]

As I understand it, you could strip down several S5 Stgw-57's and rebuild them from each others parts whilst excluding any specific S5 items and ensuring it's incapable of being returned to S5 capability. If the rifle was never assembled, it was never S5 AFAIK and so I don't see why HO approval would be required.

so you can't just strip down a Stgw-57 and rebuild it

[Fedaykin]

So for this to work it requires a manufacturer to be found no doubt in Switzerland who are building new Stgw-57 based upon a redesigned mech. These rifles could include components out of a "parts bin" from broken down Stgw-57 as long as they are not S5 parts like a ported barrel (not that this rifle has as such). What you can't do is take a complete Stgw-57 and convert it into a straight pull. You then get a new S1 rifle, seems a lot of effort for what will be a highly expensive niche gun.

Anyhow it is advertised in the latest copy of "What Gun" as an upcoming rifle for the UK market.

[HALODIN]

If it's anything like the L1A1's they can be bought for pennies in mainland Europe, so I'd imagine the profit is significant once the work is complete.

[huntervixen]

As I understand it, you could strip down several S5 Stgw-57's and rebuild them from each others parts whilst excluding any specific S5 items and ensuring it's incapable of being returned to S5 capability. If the rifle was never assembled, it was never S5 AFAIK and so I don't see why HO approval would be required.

so you can't just strip down a Stgw-57 and rebuild it

Well it's really pushing a fine point of firearms law, very blurred boundaries here regarding Sec5 and we need to take great care we don't cross the line! If I was involved in a project of this type, I would personally play it safe and only use parts kits, just a personal opinion.

Suffolk only use parts kits in the various builds, or dedicated new builds like the M14.

[nickb834]

Only as long as it stays a single S5 rifle. If you jumble the S5 parts up with other S5 rifle parts this doesn't hold true, as they go back to being S1 parts (admittedly some parts will always be S5 like original ported barrels). If you put the same S5 parts back together and made it in to S1, that wouldn't be allowed, the parts have to come from other rifles. None of the L1A1's or their parts (except the unported barrel) are new out of the factory, they were all previously part of a S5 rifle AFAIK.

Now I don't think that is strictly true either given AFAIK Bob at SGC's level release 223 is gas operated?

Just found this on another thread - goto the 30 second mark, that's a ported barrel right there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fhEmufgbw

[HALODIN]

I think the issue is availability. Are you saying the parts in these parts kits are brand new never assembled parts?

Yes I have an M14 and it's a newly manufactured rifle, none of the parts were ever assembled on/as a S5 rifle.

Well it's really pushing a fine point of firearms law, very blurred boundaries here regarding Sec5 and we need to take great care we don't cross the line! If I was involved in a project of this type, I would personally play it safe and only use parts kits, just a personal opinion.

Suffolk only use parts kits in the various builds, or dedicated new builds like the M14.

[froggy]

If it's anything like the L1A1's they can be bought for pennies in mainland Europe

The days of the bargain basement "FAL Anglais" are sadly, well and truly over...
The lucky owners keep them and now both the L1A1 and the Stg 57 go now for around € 800 in Europe.
If you cross the Alps, € 550 will get you a 57 at retail price but they'll probably give you a box of chokies as well ... Some Swiss citizens can buy them cheaper in the "arsenal" but I don't really know how it works ? Even there, the 510 in 308 is a monster rare & desirable beast and you will not get much change from 3K ...

[HALODIN]

A ported barrel on a S1 rifle that has an interrupted action, is still S1. On a straightpull L1A1 the barrel has to be replaced.

Now I don't think that is strictly true either given AFAIK Bob at SGC's level release 223 is gas operated?

Just found this on another thread - goto the 30 second mark, that's a ported barrel right there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fhEmufgbw

[Fedaykin]

Only as long as it stays a single S5 rifle. If you jumble the S5 parts up with other S5 rifle parts this doesn't hold true, as they go back to being S1 parts (admittedly some parts will always be S5 like original ported barrels). If you put the same S5 parts back together and made it in to S1, that wouldn't be allowed, the parts have to come from other rifles. None of the L1A1's or their parts (except the unported barrel) are new out of the factory, they were all previously part of a S5 rifle AFAIK.

Now I don't think that is strictly true either given AFAIK Bob at SGC's level release 223 is gas operated?

Just found this on another thread - goto the 30 second mark, that's a ported barrel right there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fhEmufgbw

Good point, as is the Vz.58 MARS. I suppose this does rather highlight the issues huntervixen is raising the whole UK military straight pull market is really turning into a grey area when it comes to what is classed as "S1". I suppose the argument with the SGC lever release and the CSA Vz.58 MARS is the components must not be removable or adaptable in such a way that the rifle becomes S5. As for part kits being used to build straight pulls, well it appears to be down to interpretation.

[HALODIN]

I still class that as pennies... I'd have to double the amount of slots of my FAC if everything was that cheap!

now both the L1A1 and the Stg 57 go now for around € 800 in Europe.