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Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:21 am
by WelshShooter
I'd be more concerned from a legal point of view rather than my car being broken into. As Chuck mentioned the police would persecute the gun owner because that's the easiest thing to do; instead they should be investigating the person who broke into said vehicle and stole your firearms.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:39 am
by Chapuis
Maggot wrote:Well we all leave rifles in cars dotted about at Bisley......
I would be more concerned with drink driving/shooting personally
Yes we do but I would hope that most of us will be taking the necessary reasonable precautions that so many of us do of;
1. Placing the guns out of sight.
2. Removing an essential component such as bolt or fore end.
3. Using a security cabinet fixed to the vehicle or chain/cord to secure the guns to a structural part of the vehicle.
Though I can understand the concern of the original poster (HH1) as he mentioned a Land Rover. Any thief could probably insert his hand in the gap between the door and the car body and remove a rifle without even opening the door.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:34 am
by HH1
Chapuis wrote:Maggot wrote:Well we all leave rifles in cars dotted about at Bisley......
I would be more concerned with drink driving/shooting personally
Yes we do but I would hope that most of us will be taking the necessary reasonable precautions that so many of us do of;
1. Placing the guns out of sight.
2. Removing an essential component such as bolt or fore end.
3. Using a security cabinet fixed to the vehicle or chain/cord to secure the guns to a structural part of the vehicle.
Though I can understand the concern of the original poster (HH1) as he mentioned a
Land Rover. Any thief could probably insert his hand in the gap between the door and the car body and remove a rifle without even opening the door.
Yes, it was a canvas top version... but I did have a lockable gun safe bolted in. These days I drive a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, 4 door with privacy glass... much better vehicle than a landRover
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:05 pm
by Maggot
Chapuis wrote:Maggot wrote:Well we all leave rifles in cars dotted about at Bisley......
I would be more concerned with drink driving/shooting personally
Yes we do but I would hope that most of us will be taking the necessary reasonable precautions that so many of us do of;
1. Placing the guns out of sight.
2. Removing an essential component such as bolt or fore end.
3. Using a security cabinet fixed to the vehicle or chain/cord to secure the guns to a structural part of the vehicle.
Though I can understand the concern of the original poster (HH1) as he mentioned a Land Rover. Any thief could probably insert his hand in the gap between the door and the car body and remove a rifle without even opening the door.
1. Goes without saying, however....have you seen the number of boots/hatchbacks left open while people yack and move about? The theft of a top end scope from the back of a van on stickledown, followed by the theft of a chassis system from HPS shows that these people are moving freely about.
2. Again sensible but not always practical/possible
3. I have done that although the fitting of security grille and bulkhead to the maggot mobile (I am told by them that knows) was a good move.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:15 pm
by Rburro2
You need a no tools left in this van overnight sticker to.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:26 pm
by dromia
They are all in the pub.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:42 am
by Countryman
HH1 wrote:huntervixen wrote:Rather disappointed and feel duped, I saw the this thread and thought it was an invite..
No, but if anyone wants to meet at Starbucks for coffee.... that would be far more sensible
Only for a skinny decaf Latte!
Good grief. "Reasonable Precautions" That's what it says. Not that I have to have the guns on bungee back to the cabinet and live like a hermit Monk.
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 4:15 am
by bradaz11
Countryman wrote:HH1 wrote:huntervixen wrote:Rather disappointed and feel duped, I saw the this thread and thought it was an invite..
No, but if anyone wants to meet at Starbucks for coffee.... that would be far more sensible
Only for a skinny decaf Latte!
Good grief. "Reasonable Precautions" That's what it says. Not that I have to have the guns on bungee back to the cabinet and live like a hermit Monk.
+1
I've always been given to understand as long as they are in the boot, and car is locked, it's fine to stop off somewhere on the way home, be it the pub for a half, or the supermarket for some dinner. obviously I wouldn't be in there hours, or do a full shop, but as long as I haven't gone miles out of my way, or past my house to get there, I see that as perfectly reasonable, and I can't see why the police wouldn't either.
this view of that you can't possibly have a drink while in possesion of the guns is a bit mad. does that mean you are all t-total when at home and the guns are in the safe? You are driving home, so it's not like you are going to get p*** up, and if you are beneath the drink drive limit, you are considered safe to drive, so why would you not be safe with a firearm?
is there even a bit of law that says its illegal to be drunk while in possession of your guns?
if you are under the drink drive limit are you deemed to be sober in the eyes of the law?
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 11:56 am
by joe
+1
I've always been given to understand as long as they are in the boot, and car is locked, it's fine to stop off somewhere on the way home, be it the pub for a half, or the supermarket for some dinner. obviously I wouldn't be in there hours, or do a full shop, but as long as I haven't gone miles out of my way, or past my house to get there, I see that as perfectly reasonable, and I can't see why the police wouldn't either.
this view of that you can't possibly have a drink while in possesion of the guns is a bit mad. does that mean you are all t-total when at home and the guns are in the safe? You are driving home, so it's not like you are going to get p*** up, and if you are beneath the drink drive limit, you are considered safe to drive, so why would you not be safe with a firearm?
is there even a bit of law that says its illegal to be drunk while in possession of your guns?
if you are under the drink drive limit are you deemed to be sober in the eyes of the law?[/quote][/quote]
From the 1872 liencsing act
........who is drunk when in possession of any loaded fire-arms, may be apprehended, and shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding forty shillings, or in the discretion of the court to imprisonment with or without hard labour for any term not exceeding one month. Where the court commits any person to prison for nonpayment of any penalty under this section, the court may order him to be imprisoned with hard labour
Re: A morning at the range then off to the PUB?
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:29 pm
by Plumose
I am currently just shooting air rifles at the moment, but in future will probably move on to live fire and this thread has put me to thinking as currently I go to the range after work having left the air rifle out of sight in the boot of the car.
Would ever be considered reasonable to have left a firearm in the boot of a locked car most of the day, if so what precautions should be taken?