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DaveB wrote:Here's one fact the liberal anti-gun loft doesn't want bandied about: Since the US instituted mandatory registration of fully-automatic firearms with the Gun Control act of 1934, the number of people killed in the commission of a criminal act with legally held machine guns in the US since that date is: ZERO.

Actually it's two.
One was an off duty police officer using a privately owned full auto M11 to murder a drug dealer.
The other was also a MAC type SMG possibly used by a doctor to murder some sort of love rival.
If I remember right, both happened in Ohio.

Its nothing to do with crime, the police and government would prefer it if no civilians had firearms they are just chipping away at it.

ordnance wrote:Its nothing to do with crime, the police and government would prefer it if no civilians had firearms...

Exactly!

The last thing a repressive Govt. wants is any portion of the population armed.

That's what the eu is doing !

Here an article from the states, proof you don't need to be a professional to win in a firefight
And another example of guns saving lives in the publics hands
http://aboutmusclecar.com/2016/12/23/6- ... -invasion/

http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/conten ... RA&id=1954

some information here that seems overlooked?

REALLY?? Just more TRIPE! Any stats on law enforcement and militray weapons being "lost"?? nahh just blame the punter as usual.

Chuck wrote:REALLY?? Just more TRIPE! Any stats on law enforcement and militray weapons being "lost"?? nahh just blame the punter as usual.

True but they like to keep quiet about that.

More than 300 rifles, pistols and machine guns have been stolen or lost at British Army bases since 2006, it was claimed today.

Soldiers either lost the firearms or sold them on the black market illegally, sometimes to criminals.

A total of 58 pistols, 52 rifles and four machine guns were stolen, according to a Freedom of Information request.

The Event wrote:

DaveB wrote:Here's one fact the liberal anti-gun loft doesn't want bandied about: Since the US instituted mandatory registration of fully-automatic firearms with the Gun Control act of 1934, the number of people killed in the commission of a criminal act with legally held machine guns in the US since that date is: ZERO.

Actually it's two.
One was an off duty police officer using a privately owned full auto M11 to murder a drug dealer.
The other was also a MAC type SMG possibly used by a doctor to murder some sort of love rival.
If I remember right, both happened in Ohio.

Oh well, not a perfect record anymore. In any event, still not a bad record: 2 in 82 years. However the gun control types will still claim there is a problem.

Chuck wrote:REALLY?? Just more TRIPE! Any stats on law enforcement and militray weapons being "lost"?? nahh just blame the punter as usual.

AC Mark Rowley said:

"I am entirely relaxed about licensed ownership. The issue I an anxious about is everyone in that privileged position looks after their weapons with the rigor and security that the licence conditions expect of them. The fact that 800 go missing shows that in some cases that’s not the case.”

Ignoring the accuracy or otherwise of the 800 figure, that seems to be a reasonable statement.

Racalman wrote:

Chuck wrote:REALLY?? Just more TRIPE! Any stats on law enforcement and militray weapons being "lost"?? nahh just blame the punter as usual.

AC Mark Rowley said:

"I am entirely relaxed about licensed ownership. The issue I an anxious about is everyone in that privileged position looks after their weapons with the rigor and security that the licence conditions expect of them. The fact that 800 go missing shows that in some cases that’s not the case.”

Ignoring the accuracy or otherwise of the 800 figure, that seems to be a reasonable statement.

That sort of depends on how many, went missing because of poor security.