It never ends the Nightmare FAC/SGC/Air Weapon renewal!

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Re: It never ends the Nightmare FAC/SGC/Air Weapon renewal!

#21 Post by MistAgain »

GeeRam wrote:
Ovenpaa wrote:We are in the Lincolnshire Wolds having moved from Bedfordshire in 2015. Our records were up here electronically with a couple of weeks and interestingly are for the most, accessible for us on line so with a simple login a patient can check all sorts of things through something called 'SystmOnline' Mine has my vaccination records, past medication and appointments, yearly bloods, the ability to book an appointment on-line and request prescriptions. This is a small Lincolnshire village so it cannot be that difficult.
Head of Lincolnshire Firearms Team just been interviewed on BBC Countryfile 5 mins ago, as well county GP liasion......

Really surprised that BBC have spent 10mins highlighting issue with renewals for FAC and SGC and issue with BMA guidelines, as I thought BBC wouldn't on principle talk about guns on Countryfile.
Pretty good and non-biased report on the issue as well.............not what I was expecting from the BBC.

Did you miss the bit were he said ...............no medical report , no sgc or fac ?
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#22 Post by GeeRam »

MistAgain wrote:
GeeRam wrote:
Ovenpaa wrote:We are in the Lincolnshire Wolds having moved from Bedfordshire in 2015. Our records were up here electronically with a couple of weeks and interestingly are for the most, accessible for us on line so with a simple login a patient can check all sorts of things through something called 'SystmOnline' Mine has my vaccination records, past medication and appointments, yearly bloods, the ability to book an appointment on-line and request prescriptions. This is a small Lincolnshire village so it cannot be that difficult.
Head of Lincolnshire Firearms Team just been interviewed on BBC Countryfile 5 mins ago, as well county GP liasion......

Really surprised that BBC have spent 10mins highlighting issue with renewals for FAC and SGC and issue with BMA guidelines, as I thought BBC wouldn't on principle talk about guns on Countryfile.
Pretty good and non-biased report on the issue as well.............not what I was expecting from the BBC.

Did you miss the bit were he said ...............no medical report , no sgc or fac ?
No..........just glad I'm not living in Lincolnshire!
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#23 Post by Fedaykin »

Very interesting just watched it. Pretty much what I have been talking about an utter mess!

The person that irritated me the most was the BASC rep actually closely followed by the representative of Lincolnshire Police. It is all very well the BASC rep saying to their members don't pay but the fact is as proven by the Police officer no report no guns!

I am sympathetic to the Doctors point that work does need to be paid for but as the first gun owner pointed out we need a fair process and agreed fees!

I should point out that the Lincolnshire Police rep and their policy is not unique, that is exactly the attitude of Police Scotland!
GeeRam

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#24 Post by GeeRam »

Fedaykin wrote:Very interesting just watched it. Pretty much what I have been talking about an utter mess!

The person that irritated me the most was the BASC rep actually closely followed by the representative of Lincolnshire Police. It is all very well the BASC rep saying to their members don't pay but the fact is as proven by the Police officer no report no guns!
There wasn't anyone from BASC interviewed.

I think you are referring to the Countryside Alliance rep.
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#25 Post by Fedaykin »

Fair play
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#26 Post by Fedaykin »

I get the two mixed up all the time they are so pointlessly interchangeable as organisations!
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#27 Post by IainWR »

The presentation was riddled with errors and misrepresentations.

The Home Office guidance, presented as a 2016 271-page report, has been in existence with irregular revisions, since the 1990s. Very little of it deals with the medical reporting.

The "conflicting" elements about charges highlighted in the programme deal with two different concepts at two different stages in the process.

The doctor saying that some patients have complex histories requiring hours of reading is misrepresenting - the only report that does not attract a fee is one that confirms that someone who says they have no relevant medical history does in fact have no relevant medical history. That report is pre-scripted by the police and contains three YES/NO questions and a comments space. If you declare a medical history you have to pay for the report; if you don't declare, the moment the dr finds it is not so he tells the police and you will be revoked not for being medically unfit but for being a liar ... Hours of reading? Just use a search tool for the critical words.

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#28 Post by Alpha1 »

This is how ridiculous the medical declaration thing is.

I don't know who my Doctor is both of the Doctors who have run my practice have gone. Retired.

As far as I can tell we have four doctors that all work different days. All of them are foreigners none of them are English. If you want an appointment you get allocated to whatever doctor is on duty on the day. I'm guessing they have a central database with patients records on it. The last time I went for a private medical the Doctor had a file in front of him 6 inches thick I could not understand any of his questions about my health it eventually turned out the record clerk had given him the wrong file the Guy in question was a bus driver and he was there for a drivers medical. My file was a one A4 sheet with about six lines of written info.
So if my licencing authority wants information about my medical records they are going to contact the practice Manager the practice manager is hopefully going to pull the correct file and take it to the on duty Doctor who probably has never set eyes on me in his/her life and give an opinion on my suitability to own a firearm.

This needs challenging I'm not very bright but even I can see this turning into a minefield.
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#29 Post by Oddbod »

GeeRam wrote:
Head of Lincolnshire Firearms Team just been interviewed on BBC Countryfile 5 mins ago, as well county GP liasion......

Really surprised that BBC have spent 10mins highlighting issue with renewals for FAC and SGC and issue with BMA guidelines, as I thought BBC wouldn't on principle talk about guns on Countryfile.
Pretty good and non-biased report on the issue as well.............not what I was expecting from the BBC.
Every now & then, a really good & objective article slips past the BBC's political commissars.

They were probably on an extended lunch break (at our expense...).
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#30 Post by dromia »

And our "national" organisations agreed to a fee hike on our behalf for this "improved" provision, remember firearms certification is not a service to us but a public safety service to the whole community which we have to pay for.

By the same token they should certify waste of space footballers, their clubs and their fans for the police providing a public safety role at their pathetic tribal conflicts.
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