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Gazza wrote:Better put, thank you

If a shooter can group 1-2" groups at 600 yds then I cant see whats wrong applying that to quarry over 100yds given the circumstances are favourable?

What is the bullet flight time.

How far can the quarry move in that time ?

It might be only a few inches but that turns a clean neck shot into a smashed jaw. Or a heart/lung shot into an abdominal wound.

And if it doesn't move its a kill

To be fair to the animal it should never be an either or, realistic certainty (not fingers crossed close your eyes and hold your breath certainty) of the shot or don't take it.

The "IF" it moves is the really big "IF" especially with shots beyond your point blank zero.

There is no place for flippancy when shooting live quarry.

dromia wrote:To be fair to the animal it should never be an either or, realistic certainty (not fingers crossed close your eyes and hold your breath certainty) of the shot or don't take it.

The "IF" it moves is the really big "IF" especially with shots beyond your point blank zero.

There is no place for flippancy when shooting live quarry.

And that's what you think I do?

Gazza wrote:And if it doesn't move its a kill

If "ifs and buts" were pots and pans, we would have no need of tinkers.

A lot of shots in western Canada and the US are made on power line cuts and the like, and they will quite often be quite long distances. In New Zealand a lot of game is shot in the hills, and sometimes there simply is no getting closer. A lot depends upon the type of game, your skill level, your equipment, and so on. I would not make a sweeping generalisation about anybody who takes 200 yard shots - there are too many variables of which we do not have visibility. In my heyday I was expected to make first-round hits at 600 metres, (and let me be clear here - that was then, when I was well-practiced, not now) and given I had the right equipment, I would not feel uneasy about a 200 yard shot on a large game animal.

Its like anything else in life - it might work 999 times but could go wrong on the 1000th time !

I have seen guys take shots with a .50bmg in the desert in USA - with no backstop. Their justification - its the desert - there is nobody there - we have done it for thousands of rounds with no issue.

DaveB wrote:A lot of shots in western Canada and the US are made on power line cuts and the like, and they will quite often be quite long distances. In New Zealand a lot of game is shot in the hills, and sometimes there simply is no getting closer. A lot depends upon the type of game, your skill level, your equipment, and so on. I would not make a sweeping generalisation about anybody who takes 200 yard shots - there are too many variables of which we do not have visibility. In my heyday I was expected to make first-round hits at 600 metres, (and let me be clear here - that was then, when I was well-practiced, not now) and given I had the right equipment, I would not feel uneasy about a 200 yard shot on a large game animal.

I am talking specifically about shooting in the UK see my first post in this thread.

"If you can't get within 100yrds max of any UK quarry then you are not a hunter."

dromia wrote:To be fair to the animal it should never be an either or, realistic certainty (not fingers crossed close your eyes and hold your breath certainty) of the shot or don't take it.

The "IF" it moves is the really big "IF" especially with shots beyond your point blank zero.

There is no place for flippancy when shooting live quarry.

Here, here!

dromia wrote:

DaveB wrote:A lot of shots in western Canada and the US are made on power line cuts and the like, and they will quite often be quite long distances. In New Zealand a lot of game is shot in the hills, and sometimes there simply is no getting closer. A lot depends upon the type of game, your skill level, your equipment, and so on. I would not make a sweeping generalisation about anybody who takes 200 yard shots - there are too many variables of which we do not have visibility. In my heyday I was expected to make first-round hits at 600 metres, (and let me be clear here - that was then, when I was well-practiced, not now) and given I had the right equipment, I would not feel uneasy about a 200 yard shot on a large game animal.

I am talking specifically about shooting in the UK see my first post in this thread.

"If you can't get within 100yrds max of any UK quarry then you are not a hunter."

Whats the difference between shooting here or in Canada?