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Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:12 am
by GeeRam
waterford103 wrote: Still hacked about the theft of my pistols though , My SIG 210 , my 1912 built 1911 commercial, my 1914 Mauser etc etc !
Understandable.
An elderly member of our club who recently passed away, was telling me about his impressive collection of half a dozen WW1 & WW2 Luger's that he had to surrender.....as well a WW2 P38 and WW1 & WW2 dated 1911.

You could still see the tear in his eye when telling me about them all.

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:12 am
by Polchraine
Does a Sword Stick comes under the hand in? Have one somewhere, I think, nothing special, just a cheap import from India.

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:41 am
by Blackstuff
The problem is handgun familiar RFD's were 10 a penny in 1996, I doubt a single RFD I know would know the first thing about an AR style rifle or VZ58, let alone what a lever-release or MARS action was!

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:08 am
by Mauserbill
Hello

The government still has no clue as the to resolution of Knife or gun crime.
They cannot solve the problem or even attempt too, so what do they do YES take all the legally owned knives as if the criminality will be bothered. The police, and the Judiciary have to show they are doing something, so again as in 1996 they hit the easy targets and make a big display of how they have made things safer. Remember Jack Straw`s (Then Home Secretary) famous comment after the pistol surrender of legally held firearms "By this action we have made the streets safer" What an absolute joke.

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:23 am
by GeeRam
Mauserbill wrote:Hello

The government still has no clue as the to resolution of Knife or gun crime.
They cannot solve the problem or even attempt too, so what do they do YES take all the legally owned knives as if the criminality will be bothered. The police, and the Judiciary have to show they are doing something, so again as in 1996 they hit the easy targets and make a big display of how they have made things safer. Remember Jack Straw`s (Then Home Secretary) famous comment after the pistol surrender of legally held firearms "By this action we have made the streets safer" What an absolute joke.
Politicians are lazy liar's, so they take the easy option everytime, and that's target the generally law abiding community rather than the awkward option of tackling the law breaking community as in most cases that causes other political problems that they would prefer to sweep under the carpet......and in most cases they are helped in this by a compliant media who also don't want to rock the boat.

Unfortunately we live in a democracy so we can do feck all about it... 8-)

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:43 am
by dromia
Politicians are lazy liar's, so they take the easy option everytime, and that's target the generally law abiding community rather than the awkward option of tackling the law breaking community as in most cases that causes other political problems that they would prefer to sweep under the carpet......and in most cases they are helped in this by a compliant media who also don't want to rock the boat.
Aided and a betted by a thick as shite populace.
Unfortunately we live in a democracy so we can do feck all about it... 8-)
If we didn't live in a democracy we still couldn't do feck all about it.

For why we can't do anything about it in a democracy see " thick as shite populace".

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:59 am
by GeeRam
dromia wrote: For why we can't do anything about it in a democracy see " thick as shite populace".
That's exactly why I added the 8-) rolleyes to my comment.

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:25 pm
by The Event
Polchraine wrote:Does a Sword Stick comes under the hand in? Have one somewhere, I think, nothing special, just a cheap import from India.
The full list of what has to be handed in is,

From the Criminal Justice Act 1988 ( o to t added by amendments)

a) a knuckleduster, that is, a band of metal or other hard material worn on one or more
fingers, and designed to cause injury, and any weapon incorporating a
knuckleduster;

b) a swordstick, that is, a hollow walking-stick or cane containing a blade which may be
used as a sword;

c) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘handclaw’, being a band of metal or other hard
material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, and worn around the hand;

d) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘belt buckle knife’, being a buckle which
incorporates or conceals a knife;

e) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘push dagger’, being a knife, the handle of which
fits within a clenched fist and the blade of which protrudes from between two fingers;

f) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘hollow kubotan’, being a cylindrical container
containing a number of sharp spikes;

g) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘footclaw’, being a bar of metal or other hard
material from which a number of sharp spikes protrude, and worn strapped to the
foot;

h) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘shuriken’, ‘shaken’ or ‘death star’, being a hard
non-flexible plate having three or more sharp radiating points and designed to be
thrown;

i) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘balisong’ or ‘butterfly knife’, being a blade
enclosed by its handle, which is designed to split down the middle, without the
operation of a spring or other mechanical means, to reveal the blade;

j) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘telescopic truncheon’, being a truncheon which
extends automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in
or attached to its handle;

k) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘blowpipe’ or ‘blow gun’, being a hollow tube out
of which hard pellets or darts are shot by the use of breath;

l) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘kusari gama’, being a length of rope, cord, wire
or chain fastened at one end to a sickle;

m) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘kyoketsu shoge’, being a length of rope, cord,
wire or chain fastened at one end to a hooked knife;

n) the weapon sometimes known as a ‘manrikigusari’ or ‘kusari’, being a length of rope,
cord, wire or chain fastened at each end to a hard weight or hand grip;

o) a disguised knife, that is any knife which has a concealed blade or concealed sharp
point and is designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind commonly carried
on the person or in a handbag, briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb,
brush, writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or telephone);

p) a stealth knife, that is a knife or spike, which has a blade, or sharp point, made from
a material that is not readily detectable by apparatus used for detecting metal and
which is not designed for domestic use or for use in the processing, preparation or
consumption of food or as a toy;

q) a straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheon (sometimes known as a baton);

r) a sword with a curved blade of 50 centimetres or over in length; and for the purposes
of this sub-paragraph, the length of the blade shall be the straight line distance from
the top of the handle to the tip of the blade

s) the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being
a blade with—
(i) a cutting edge;
(ii) a serrated edge; and
(iii) images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.

t) the weapon sometimes known as a “cyclone knife” or “spiral knife” being a weapon with—
(i)a handle,
(ii)a blade with two or more cutting edges, each of which forms a helix, and
(iii)a sharp point at the end of the blade.

And from the newly amended Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act of 1959
Flick Knives, now described as
Any knife which has a blade which opens automatically—
(i)from the closed position to the fully opened position, or
(ii)from a partially opened position to the fully opened position, by manual pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in or attached to the knife, and which is sometimes known as a “flick knife” or “flick gun”
Gravity Knives, described as,
Any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device, sometimes known as a “gravity knife”

Antiques are exempt except in the case of flick knives and gravity knives.

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:29 pm
by Polchraine
The Event wrote:
Polchraine wrote:Does a Sword Stick comes under the hand in? Have one somewhere, I think, nothing special, just a cheap import from India.
The full list of what has to be handed in is,

From the Criminal Justice Act 1988 ( o to t added by amendments)

b) a swordstick, that is, a hollow walking-stick or cane containing a blade which may be
used as a sword;
I should be a good boy then ... Wonder what they will give in exchange!

Re: Offensive weapons act 2019 debacle

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:41 pm
by Airbrush
Polchraine wrote:
The Event wrote:
Polchraine wrote:Does a Sword Stick comes under the hand in? Have one somewhere, I think, nothing special, just a cheap import from India.
The full list of what has to be handed in is,

From the Criminal Justice Act 1988 ( o to t added by amendments)

b) a swordstick, that is, a hollow walking-stick or cane containing a blade which may be
used as a sword;
I should be a good boy then ... Wonder what they will give in exchange!
If you don’t have a receipt £30 I’ve seen mentioned.