Possible ban of SGC Lever Release & CSA VZ.58 MARS Rifles ?

[ovenpaa]

I sincerely doubt we will see S2 move to the S1 category as it would all but kill the already overworked Firearms licensing teams and more to the point S2 works very well in its present licensing state.

Section 5.8 - I would not be surprised if this changed to tighten things up further.

.22LR Pistols, I will go as far as saying it will never happen however I could be very wrong.

What I would expect is licence fees to climb steadily over the next few years, when you compare us to places such as DK we actually have quite a reasonable fee structure and licensing process.

[Blackstuff]

The NPCC haven't published any meeting minutes past January that I can find.

January of this year? Do you have a link? The most recent one I can find is from February 2015!

In regards to reclassifying pistols, most decent politicians admit freely that the 1997 Act was a terrible piece of knee jerk legislation. That widely accepted fact prevent further knee jerk legislation after the Cumbia shootings. Even the papers held back. The Conservatives have a political deniability in regards to small bore pistols as they, when they were last in government, didn't extend the ban to small bore, that was extended by Labour when they took power. Reintroducing pistols would be taken as a great step forward by shooters, as illustrated, but smoke and mirrors ultimately.

Returning .22 pistols to Section 1 was on the Conservatives manifesto, then the Cumbrian shootings happened Yes they've made U-turns and failed to deliver other manifesto pledges but the very fact it was printed on their literature is an achievement in of itself.

Interestingly...a friends VZ.58 MARS had blown up twice in the past year! Both times it fired out of battery. First time it was just a big bang... second time it took out the receiver. Apparently back at CZ for repairs....

Mark

Not good.....if it took out the receiver then surely a new rifle would be in order?.Was your friend ok?.Not sure on Vz's but on an AK there is a protrusion on the rear of the bolt carrier that prevents the hammer contacting the firing pin if the bolt is out of battery.

VZ58's are internally completely different to AK's as they are striker fired, rather than hammer fired actions. I'd still love to know how it is possible to get one to fire out of battery unless there was an obstruction in the barrel/the bullet was too big for the chamber which stopped it!?

What I would expect is licence fees to climb steadily over the next few years, when you compare us to places such as DK we actually have quite a reasonable fee structure and licensing process.

I was nothing short of amazed when there was no fee increase this year!

[HH1]

The NPCC haven't published any meeting minutes past January that I can find.

I was told that it was in the minutes of the NPCC Blackpool meeting..... I've searched and can't find anything relevant.

[HH1]

Let's hope the uk government doesn't consult so called experts such that bell yardley !

Yeah, I used to find his shotgun reviews / shooting tips interesting to read.... but it looks like he is ready to throw British Shooters under the bus if they are not of the posh brat, tweed wearing, O/U shotgun or big game rifle owning types like him

[Daniel11]

Blackstuff, do you have any source for .22 pistols being section 1 in their manifesto? my understanding was that it was an informal commitment made to someone or similar, rather than an official policy. Willing (and eager) to be proven wrong however: if it was in their 2010 manifesto it could easily be in their 2020 manifesto with some lobbying

[dromia]

We are not licensed to have firearms we are certified as fit to possess them.

It says so on your Firearms Certificate.

It is the only public safety function that the police do that is paid for by some of the public (well the only one that I know of so stand to be corrected) so why charge in the first place?

Whatever happens shooters will be the worse for it, bring back pistols at the expense of Sec 58, a divisive and futile exercise.

Never mind the anti gun lobby the fact that we don't have a pro-gun ownership lobby means that antis have a clear field.

[Daniel11]

Surely an proposal to scrap s58 would never make it because its so unworkable. How many antique firearms are out there, on the walls of pubs or above mantelpieces? surely it would be too embarrassing when an MP or two gets done for a wallhanger they forgot to register.

[HH1]

We are not licensed to have firearms we are certified as fit to possess them.

It says so on your Firearms Certificate.

Agreed, if you are deemed fit, have somewhere suitable to shoot a particular firearm and storage space, you should be able to own anything you like (within reason).... how awesome would a 45/70 Gatling Gun be

Whatever happens shooters will be the worse for it, bring back pistols at the expense of Sec 58, a divisive and futile exercise.

Could you explain how this would be a "bad" thing? Would they confiscate all antique guns, which are only looked at and fondled like Deacts... or and I missing something more sinister?

[Sixshot6]

We are not licensed to have firearms we are certified as fit to possess them.

It says so on your Firearms Certificate.

Agreed, if you are deemed fit, have somewhere suitable to shoot a particular firearm and storage space, you should be able to own anything you like (within reason).... how awesome would a 45/70 Gatling Gun be

Whatever happens shooters will be the worse for it, bring back pistols at the expense of Sec 58, a divisive and futile exercise.

Could you explain how this would be a "bad" thing? Would they confiscate all antique guns, which are only looked at and fondled like Deacts... or and I missing something more sinister?

you actually can own a gat as it's a manual opp due to the crank handle, I'd shudder at the cost of all that 45/70 though .

[dromia]

Besides the restriction, inconvenience and loss in value it is bad law making and should be opposed as such. The bulk of firearms legislation in this country is bad lawmaking that is not fit for the purpose it was masqueraded for and should be opposed as such.

It is not only firearms owners who suffer from poor legislation it is the whole country and as such should be opposed.

Thinking such a move isn't a bad thing just shows the divisiveness of the legislation and the lack of empathy and solidarity amongst shooters and gun owners.

Any gunowner worth his or her salt should oppose any firearms legislation unless it is clearly evidenced that doing so will be managed competently and will achieve substantial benefits in regards to reason as to why it is being proposed.