dromia wrote:From a firearms certification department.
"Hello
Please note that Section 129 of the Police & Crime Act makes changes to the controls on expanding ammunition as from today.
The Home Office and NABIS (National Ballistics Intelligence Service) have clarified the below information:
From 2 May 2017 only expanding ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols is to be regarded as prohibited by virtue of Section 5(1A)(f) Firearms Act 1968 (as amended).
NABIS has identified the following calibre ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols:
.32 S&W
.32 Colt
.320 Revolver
.380 Revolver
.45 Auto Rim
.44 Automag
.50 Action Express
Any “Wildcat” special load pistol ammunition designed to used only in pistols.
All other expanding ammunition is to be regarded as Section 1 and should be treated in the same way as non-expanding ammunition with no requirement to add the expanding ammunition condition to the FAC.
In practical terms the majority of pistol calibre ammunition types we see on firearm certificates are dual use and can be used in rifles, commonly carbines, gallery rifles etc.
This means that the requirement to use the expanding ammunition condition on Firearm Certificates in the future is negligible and will only be used on those rare occasions which is detailed above."
I have a .32 H&R Magnum chambered Marlin..... I also use .32 S&W Long as a "special" à la 357/38. So as the whole concept is very technical, .32 S&W is actually the "short" version and hence pistol only and s5. But the "Long" cartridge s1......? Anyone else agree before I send a smug email to NABIS?
Found this on the home office circular
45.Section 129 of the 2017 Act amends subsection 5(1A)(f) of the 1968 Act to remove the prohibition on ammunition which incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact (‘expanding ammunition’) in respect of rifle ammunition only
So looks that the advice about using 9mm,
38 etc in a rifle is totally wrong !!??
dromia wrote:From a firearms certification department.
"Hello
Please note that Section 129 of the Police & Crime Act makes changes to the controls on expanding ammunition as from today.
The Home Office and NABIS (National Ballistics Intelligence Service) have clarified the below information:
From 2 May 2017 only expanding ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols is to be regarded as prohibited by virtue of Section 5(1A)(f) Firearms Act 1968 (as amended).
NABIS has identified the following calibre ammunition which is solely designed for use in pistols:
.32 S&W
.32 Colt
.320 Revolver
.380 Revolver
.45 Auto Rim
.44 Automag
.50 Action Express
Any “Wildcat” special load pistol ammunition designed to used only in pistols.
All other expanding ammunition is to be regarded as Section 1 and should be treated in the same way as non-expanding ammunition with no requirement to add the expanding ammunition condition to the FAC.
In practical terms the majority of pistol calibre ammunition types we see on firearm certificates are dual use and can be used in rifles, commonly carbines, gallery rifles etc.
This means that the requirement to use the expanding ammunition condition on Firearm Certificates in the future is negligible and will only be used on those rare occasions which is detailed above."
I have a .32 H&R Magnum chambered Marlin..... I also use .32 S&W Long as a "special" à la 357/38. So as the whole concept is very technical, .32 S&W is actually the "short" version and hence pistol only and s5. But the "Long" cartridge s1......? Anyone else agree before I send a smug email to NABIS?
Found this on the home office circular
45.Section 129 of the 2017 Act amends subsection 5(1A)(f) of the 1968 Act to remove the prohibition on ammunition which incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact (‘expanding ammunition’) in respect of rifle ammunition only
So looks that the advice about using 9mm,
38 etc in a rifle is totally wrong !!??
They did not define what rifle ammo though is, what is rifle ammo but what is used in a rifle is the question and it appears they have dug up the old list from pre 1997 which stipulated dual use. There is primary and secondary Legislation. Sim or someone will come in to correct but the Home Office and NABIS have been asked to define rifle ammo and they have taken note by looks that some is used in rifles/carbines. So its correct in that regard. If we see more of the forces singing from the sheet it will show this to be true also. You're ignoring thats the home office/NABIS laying it down in stone, what more do you want? Plus wrong interpretations tend to be very vague, that is way too detailed to be have been a "this is my interpretation" sort of thing.
51. Revisions to the general condition relating to expanding ammunition are being considered by the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group. Forces will be notified in due course of the new condition which should be applied as and when a certificate is due for renewal or variation or for any other reason. Forces are not expected to recall certificates specifically for amendment.
It talks about the general condition for expanding ammo ! It implies it's not a free for all !?
'Have any RFD's on here decided on what they will be doing regarding their RFD logs and their currently held expanding missiles (Projectiles, bullets, pointy bits, h***s etc) I called my licensing department and eventually the third person I spoke to said they were not absolutely sure regarding future logging or FAC entries. Personally I had expected there to be no further need to securely store/enter on FAC's and enter to an RFD log however I could be way wrong here...
Anyone?
/d
Du lytter aldrig til de ord jeg siger. Du ser mig kun for det tøj jeg har paa ...
51. Revisions to the general condition relating to expanding ammunition are being considered by the Firearms and Explosives Licensing Working Group. Forces will be notified in due course of the new condition which should be applied as and when a certificate is due for renewal or variation or for any other reason. Forces are not expected to recall certificates specifically for amendment.
It talks about the general condition for expanding ammo ! It implies it's not a free for all !?
easy
Easy they amend the conditions when Certs are in and not just saying we need to change this. Too much effort when a cert will be back for whichever. It will still be treated as law due to it being in the law and now the guidelines. It would not make sense to change the law on the matter and then say it doesn't apply to all Certs. The condition allows for target shooting now. All that appears to say is we change what it says on certificates when they come in and not make more work for ourselves.
Easy they amend the conditions when Certs are in and not just saying we need to change this. Too much effort when a cert will be back for whichever. It will still be treated as law due to it being in the law and now the guidelines. It would not make sense to change the law on the matter and then say it doesn't apply to all Certs. The condition allows for target shooting now. All that appears to say is we change what it says on certificates when they come in and not make more work for ourselves.[/quote]
Henry Krank have moved all bar 1 Sierra bullet to unlicensed. The only licenced one is .30cal Sierra Bullets (.308) 85gr RN pkt100
All the 44mag & 9mm JHPs etc. can just be ordered & posted.
toffe wrapper wrote:Henry Krank have moved all bar 1 Sierra bullet to unlicensed
Visited my local reloading RFD shop and just bought some Sierra .303 150gr soft point bullets so it's happened they have taken soft points out of section 5 and into sec1 happy days
i see, now i understand
