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froggy wrote:The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary

?? How is that ?

Exactly! Members of the public who are not members of the club / range are unlikely to see people shooting CSR or dressing up as "wannabe SAS special forces" with "scary" black rifles and so on simply because they ought not to be there in the first place. The NRA won't even let members bring a friend along to the range for an intro taster without paying a fee and being formally supervised so how are all these "members of the public" going to see all these "intimidating" disciplines?

Contrast that with the photographs of tweed / safari suited chaps proudly standing next to some poor dumb animal they've killed with a huge rifle that can easily be seen in any newspaper without going out of your way. To the average Joe without knowledge of countryside management some smirking wally in tweed standing next to a pile of dead birds he's blasted out of the sky with a scattergun is distasteful. It also ties in nicely with 'class warriors' and the disenfranchised pointing at toffs that kill for fun.
Most likely he's not even aware of the sports Yardley sneers at - but he IS aware of some magnificent animal such as a lion or giraffe killed for a photo op.

Which would most people think places shooting in a bad light?

Come on guys are we failing reading comprehension today:

"The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary" I was clearly talking in the hypothetical and referring to the pictures he puts online of his hunting escapades or are you saying that there is no images of UK CSR online?!

I was talking about perception and education. In that he is happy to educate the public about his shooting disciplines but not for those that he deems to be wrong.

Fedaykin wrote:Come on guys are we failing reading comprehension today:

"The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary" I was clearly talking in the hypothetical and referring to the pictures he puts online of his hunting escapades or are you saying that there is no images of UK CSR online?!

I was talking about perception and education. In that he is happy to educate the public about his shooting disciplines but not for those that he deems to be wrong.

But you need to be aware of things like CSR and go look for pics / vids online in order to be potentially 'scared' of them. The average pleb in the street doesn't even know it exists. Even other shooters aren't really that savvy as to what CSR is all about if their interest is blatting clays or punching holes in NRA targets or small bore in local ranges. They are more likely to be vaguely aware of its existence.

Dark Skies wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:Come on guys are we failing reading comprehension today:

"The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary" I was clearly talking in the hypothetical and referring to the pictures he puts online of his hunting escapades or are you saying that there is no images of UK CSR online?!

I was talking about perception and education. In that he is happy to educate the public about his shooting disciplines but not for those that he deems to be wrong.

But you need to be aware of things like CSR and go look for pics / vids online in order to be potentially 'scared' of them. The average pleb in the street doesn't even know it exists. Even other shooters aren't really that savvy as to what CSR is all about if their interest is blatting clays or punching holes in NRA targets or small bore in local ranges. They are more likely to be vaguely aware of its existence.

True but I think my point still stands, if an average punter does stumble on UK CSR content then I think a great many might perceive it negatively just the same as Yardley and his hunting exploits. What I do know is Yardley won't be there to educate and change perceptions about CSR if that happens.

Fedaykin wrote:

Dark Skies wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:Come on guys are we failing reading comprehension today:

"The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary" I was clearly talking in the hypothetical and referring to the pictures he puts online of his hunting escapades or are you saying that there is no images of UK CSR online?!

I was talking about perception and education. In that he is happy to educate the public about his shooting disciplines but not for those that he deems to be wrong.

But you need to be aware of things like CSR and go look for pics / vids online in order to be potentially 'scared' of them. The average pleb in the street doesn't even know it exists. Even other shooters aren't really that savvy as to what CSR is all about if their interest is blatting clays or punching holes in NRA targets or small bore in local ranges. They are more likely to be vaguely aware of its existence.

True but I think my point still stands, if an average punter does stumble on UK CSR content then I think a great many might perceive it negatively just the same as Yardley and his hunting exploits. What I do know is Yardley won't be there to educate and change perceptions about CSR if that happens.

I don't disagree with you. Most likely though they'd just assume it was paintballing or softair types. The way Yardley paints it you'd think the average citizen's hand was hovering over their mobile ready to call plod.

How did it come to pass that the only ambassador for shooting is the self-appointed and divisive bwana Yardley?

What's CSR????

Chuck wrote:What's CSR????

"Corporate social responsibility (CSR, also called corporate conscience, corporate citizenship or responsible business) is a form of corporate self-regulation integrated into a business model."

Apparently.

Dark Skies wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:Come on guys are we failing reading comprehension today:

"The irony is I agree that to the general public CSR might well look scary" I was clearly talking in the hypothetical and referring to the pictures he puts online of his hunting escapades or are you saying that there is no images of UK CSR online?!

I was talking about perception and education. In that he is happy to educate the public about his shooting disciplines but not for those that he deems to be wrong.

But you need to be aware of things like CSR and go look for pics / vids online in order to be potentially 'scared' of them. The average pleb in the street doesn't even know it exists. Even other shooters aren't really that savvy as to what CSR is all about if their interest is blatting clays or punching holes in NRA targets or small bore in local ranges. They are more likely to be vaguely aware of its existence.

I'm with fedaykin on the point of picture availability. CSR pictures are available online easily, it's not necessarily that you have to go look for it. The NRA (UK) posts a lot about it. But you would need to be looking into what shooting is legal in the UK to find CSR, realistically, and I don't see it as a bad thing.

Ohh, you can legally shoot targets and move forwards and backwards towards a static paper target under strict supervision and engage them. Whoop-de-do.

The thing with all this "militaristic fantasy" is that guns are ultimately the major tool that military use, so of course theres going to be some crossover. Some guys from the military are going to get into civi shooting after or during their enlistment. Folks who couldn't or cant get into the armed forces are going to be interested in shooting and find their way into the sport, and some people who really wish they were soldiers for whatever reason are going to be interested in using the tools. So long as they're abiding by the law and not showing any extremist or maniacal behaviour, whose to say that it's wrong. It's within the remit of the law, they/we should not be persecuted from within.

There should be a line drawn by all shooters, that it is not against the law, we are perfectly legitimate in our reasons for owning and shooting these weapons in this manner, and most of all, all shooters should stick up for the sport in all it's aspects as the chipping away will only lead to tighter controls, more constriction within the laws, and ultimately lead to shootigns demise.

If only people like Yardley, realised the damage that he causes by his opinion on the matter.

Public perception is very much guided by the media, and who does the man work for (loosely)... the media.

He's a menace to himself, and all of us.

Dark Skies wrote:

Chuck wrote:What's CSR????

"Corporate social responsibility (CSR, also called corporate conscience, corporate citizenship or responsible business) is a form of corporate self-regulation integrated into a business model."

Apparently.

I thought it was when he went to the range. Chuck Shoots Rifles...

Chuck wrote:What's CSR????

From the CSR handbook.

Civilian Service Rifle and Practical Rifle (CSR & PR) are National Rifle Association (NRA) shooting disciplines that involve the use of a rifle for the purposes of competition. Civilian Service Rifle matches are based on United Kingdom, Commonwealth and Foreign Service Rifle Matches consisting of deliberate, rapid, fire with movement and snap-shooting practices in various combinations. Practical Rifle events combine various elements of CSR & PR type matches as determined by the Meeting Director. The governing body for CSR & PR shooting in the UK is the NRA.