Countryfile - Firearms Licensing

[ordnance]

One thing that irritated me about the program was the comment that someone with diabetes could be a danger because some can have mood swings. I wonder how many people became violent and shot or stabled someone because of diabetes.

I will offer nothing more other than we once had a diabetes related incident in our club, the only incident in 100 years.

A ex-work colleague of mine many, many years ago, could go from calmly sitting at his drawing board working away to full on raging nutter status throwing things around the office in a matter of moments due to the particular nature of his diabetic condition at times when he'd not been as good as he should have been regarding his medication.

They shouldn't be driving either then, they could go into a rage and drive over people.

[GeeRam]

I will offer nothing more other than we once had a diabetes related incident in our club, the only incident in 100 years.

A ex-work colleague of mine many, many years ago, could go from calmly sitting at his drawing board working away to full on raging nutter status throwing things around the office in a matter of moments due to the particular nature of his diabetic condition at times when he'd not been as good as he should have been regarding his medication.

They shouldn't be driving either then, they could go into a rage and drive over people.

Indeed, probably one of the reasons he had his driving licence taken away from him when he was in his mid-20's because of his condition.

[ordnance]

Indeed, probably one of the reasons he had his driving licence taken away from him when he was in his mid-20's because of his condition.

Probably or it was the reason, they feared he was going to loss the plot and drive over people. ?

[GeeRam]

Indeed, probably one of the reasons he had his driving licence taken away from him when he was in his mid-20's because of his condition.

Probably or it was the reason, they feared he was going to loss the plot and drive over people. ?

He was OK as long as he kept to his strict medication routine, it was only when he got fed up/stressed/etc.,etc and he wavered in the medication that it would all go horribly wrong.
He ended up have to take early retirement on medical grounds about 6 months past his 50th birthday, and was sadly dead before he reached his 55th.

[simong]

Evening peeps,

As a type 2 diabetic ( so have some interest in the subject), I would ask the question " if diabetics have mood swings that can be violent, where do we stand with diabetic doctors "?
Granted, a gun can cause pointy objects to puncture skin, but doctors can and have jabbed people with needles as well ( Howard shipman killed more folk than Ryan, Hamilton and Bird.,....)

Just an observation

Ttfn
The Greek

[Hrun]

Evening peeps,

As a type 2 diabetic ( so have some interest in the subject), I would ask the question " if diabetics have mood swings that can be violent, where do we stand with diabetic doctors "?
Granted, a gun can cause pointy objects to puncture skin, but doctors can and have jabbed people with needles as well ( Howard shipman killed more folk than Ryan, Hamilton and Bird.,....)

Just an observation

Ttfn
The Greek

Diabetic.. not declared on his application.. having issues with his medication..

Dropped a loaded club gun and the bullet creased his skull when it went of.

We will never truly know what happened, but the video footage shows he should not have had a firearm in his hands. Heaven forbid someone else had been in the range?

[IainWR]

Howard shipman

His name was Harold Shipman, and he remains the most destructive mass murderer known to criminal records in Great Britain.

[Duey]

So being diabetic is now a reason for not having a FAC, umm how long will it be until we start looking at other people to discriminate against, how about left handed people, or people with green eyes, or hay fever sufferers
As with all medical conditions there are extremes of how individuals react or behave at different times exactly the same as people with no medical conditions can behave to extremes so let's not look blanket demonise groups of people because of individuals behaviour

[Blackstuff]

I don't think anyone is saying that ALL diabetics should have their certificates stripped/be denied.

However if a person has a record of not managing their condition well (shown on the initial medical record 'profile' from their GP - that the police have paid for!), and that condition produces 'intemperate habits', then, IMO this is the trigger point where that person should have to pay for a report to be done to prove they can be trusted with firearms. If their report comes back saying they are not managing their condition properly, then.... At the end of the day, if someone is willing to drastically harm their own health by not looking after themselves then why would they care about other peoples well being?

As a caveat I know little about diabetes, other than the basics, I am unaware if there are versions of it which can't be managed through diet and/or medication.

[dromia]

Seems like it has whipped up an anti sh!te storm on arse book and twatter, this "reply" to them says it all, however from the types that seems to frequent arse book and twatter reasoning like this is wasted on them as they obviously do not want to hear.

"A letter to those opposed to hunting/shooting

Dave Dave / January 12, 2018 / Conservation, Deer Stalking, Hunting, Pest Control, Rough Shooting, Wildfowling / 0

Recently the issue of Doctors fees was brought up on the BBCs Countryfile programme and in the aftermath it seems that the anti-hunters/anti-shooters took to their social media pages to complain about “blood junkies draining money from the NHS” or questioning “why people need to own guns/ban guns” and saying if we want the “privilege of owning guns we should pay”, “licence fees should be increased” and so forth.

Reading through these comments the level of ignorance, prejudice and hypocrisy is astounding. Much of this seems to be about the perception that all shooters are rich “toffs” when in fact many shooters are ordinary working class people who shoot for the pot or shoot for pest control, a service that is vital to food production and protecting the UK countryside and something that will likely be done for free. Indeed it seems as if it is more about sticking 2 fingers up to the wealthy than about any noble concerns of animal welfare.

They ignore shooters will most likely be tax payers and already likely cover these costs through their taxes, they are also blind to the estimated £1billion that shooting is worth to the UK economy and the much needed jobs and services that it provides in the rural communities of our nation.

Many of them claim it is blood lust and it is people killing “innocent animals” but likely eat meat themselves and even if they are vegetarian or vegan, animals will be shot to protect the crops consumed by them. If they weren’t then food costs would rise, the countryside would be damaged and animals would suffer themselves from overpopulation and starvation. To give an example of the kind of damage that can be done, rabbits alone cost in the region of £260 million in damage to crops, business and infrastructure. Regardless of what “anti’s” think it has to be done and there is “blood on their hands” as much as the people they despise. Only the people they despise have a respect and connection with their quarry that they will never likely understand. It is shocking that in this day and age of technology people hold such strong opinions based on ignorance not fact.

Then we come to the complaints about how cheap a “gun licence” is, how if you can afford a shotgun you can afford to pay more. Often with flawed comparisons made to television licences and drivers licences. (Neither of which is required to own or use a television or motor vehicle on private land, the exact opposite of a FAC/SGC) A point on certificates is they are forced upon us by the state, apparently passively supported by the public in the name of public safety. It adds no value to us, is often inconsistent in service, we are potentially held to ransom by some unscrupulous GPs and we are held to much higher standards of behaviour than your “average” member of the public yet everyone seems to want to add more costs, hurdles and any number of arbitrary restrictions they can think of..

Well I say if you want these restrictions then it’s only fair it should come from the public purse. Shooters are themselves members of the public, likely pay tax and effectively pay twice for this procedure. This is no subsidy to our sports, if it was applied to any other sport it would be considered a hindrance. We do not seem to see any real desire to improve efficiency or effectiveness of our laws or systems, we just see a continued desire to increase regulation or restrictions unnecessarily, maintain power over people and passing responsibility for decisions. We don’t seem to see any real discussion or study on what laws could be passed that have been shown to benefit public safety and what could be done away with as costly wastes of shooters time, police time and taxpayers money that do nothing for public safety.

I also say to them, check your prejudice, it may not be obvious because shooters and hunters are considered an acceptable target but consider the language used and if it was directed towards a protected minority group and it would quickly become apparent that this language would not be tolerated. It is no different from any other kind of bigotry or racism based on opinions formed from ignorance and I can guarantee all these antis would not tolerate that kind of prejudice, that is their hypocrisy.

The fact that shooters are among the most law abiding people in the country, contribute considerable amounts to the treasury, perform vital rural work in terms of land management and conservation and even bring glory to the nation at international sporting events is continually ignored.

Anti’s may be great at dressing up in masks and calling for the deaths of innocent people on social media (which doesn’t seem to do much when such comments are reported) but I don’t think you’ll see them out in the field looking after the landscape or out in estuaries collecting litter to preserve and protect our valuable resources.

As a community there is lots to be done we need to keep educating people as to the facts of our sports and hobbies, we need to introduce people to them and let them experience it first hand and hopefully become firearms owners themselves. Finally we need to get involved with politics to start making our politicians do what is right by us and not just what gets votes from the ignorant or prejudiced to further what seems to be an agenda in the continued reduction of legal firearms owners."

https://firearmsuk.org/hunting/a-letter ... gshooting/