50 cal ban dropped?

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Re: 50 cal ban dropped?

#31 Post by NoEntry »

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safetyfirst wrote:Not to be forgotten is that the lever release and mars systems are an attempt to circumvent the spirit of the legislation, which is something people may not take kindly to.
This view, especially from gun owners, really disappoints me as it implies that the people who developed lever/trigger release firearms have done something underhand, which is not so. They went through proper procedure to check whether these guns were legal before having them for sale and having firearms certification departments issuing slots for these guns. At the end of the day these guns were deemed to be legal, within the spirit and letter of the law, by the authorities, HO, Firearms licensing, or they would not be allowed to be sold, if they are not then why were they allowed in the first place?

The fact that they are allowed surely shows that the authorities believed that they do meet with the letter and the spirit of the legislation. So what has changed for them to now renege on there original decision?

Other than a cynical PC, anti gun, non evidence based, emotional, headline grabbing, being seeing to be doing something that will make no difference, anti gun agenda. Surely this should be sufficiently good grounds for a counter argument.
Wot Dromia said :good: :good:

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#32 Post by breacher »

NoEntry wrote:
dromia wrote:
safetyfirst wrote:Not to be forgotten is that the lever release and mars systems are an attempt to circumvent the spirit of the legislation, which is something people may not take kindly to.
This view, especially from gun owners, really disappoints me as it implies that the people who developed lever/trigger release firearms have done something underhand, which is not so. They went through proper procedure to check whether these guns were legal before having them for sale and having firearms certification departments issuing slots for these guns. At the end of the day these guns were deemed to be legal, within the spirit and letter of the law, by the authorities, HO, Firearms licensing, or they would not be allowed to be sold, if they are not then why were they allowed in the first place?

The fact that they are allowed surely shows that the authorities believed that they do meet with the letter and the spirit of the legislation. So what has changed for them to now renege on there original decision?

Other than a cynical PC, anti gun, non evidence based, emotional, headline grabbing, being seeing to be doing something that will make no difference, anti gun agenda. Surely this should be sufficiently good grounds for a counter argument.
Wot Dromia said :good: :good:

Mike
I think they are both right !

Yes - the MARS / Lever Release were very clever bits of lateral thinking to get as close as possible to semi auto within the confines of the legislation re prohibition of semi autos.

Yes - it WAS TOTALLY WITHIN THE LAW so it should not have been a problem.
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#33 Post by Maggot »

breacher wrote:
Yes - the MARS / Lever Release were very clever bits of lateral thinking to get as close as possible to semi auto within the confines of the legislation re prohibition of semi autos.

Yes - it WAS TOTALLY WITHIN THE LAW so it should not have been a problem.
While I dont agree with any ban (for totally practical reasons) surely if the gun trade can use "changes" to get round a law, then the stazi can use "changes" to counter our "changes"...or is there a parallel universe I am not aware of?

The whole stink of it comes down to perception by them that are so motivated to wield the axe being stoked by their spin doctors, ably aided by some stupid comments and videos by some mentally difficient users. And so a new threat is born. They dont need proof, just an imagination and good PR.

My small bore club base their whole distain for anything not involving leather and painted black purely on one idiot mag dumping in a confined space on a range next door to someones house. A stupid one off (thanks tosser teanews ) but now we are all tarred. Now I get that people will miss, but to entirely miss the butt stop with anything else (as we cannot conclude that ALL of the holes in the surround and roof where bullets should be nowhere near were by semi autos) when I struggle to miss the black on a 10 target TR card (from an appropriate position) or a rep fig 12 from all the other CSR positions (in fact I have never hit the wooden target holders either that are shot to bits) then you have to ask what the RCOs are up to.....Oh , they are not on the range...perfect.

My (drawn out) point? Stupid is as stupid does. We all carry responsibility for our actions and the sport in general. IF we dont build bridges we will suffer, but likewise dont expect people to back you if you do something that is clearly inappropriate.

One comment was "But those 50 cals are reall killing machines".....Odd that so many in the club use Ruger 10-22s for bunny gun. Check the history perhaps teanews

Sunday saw one of our CSR number actively encouraging a TR Shooter from a few lanes down to have a go with our club BAR15 at some CSR shooting, the bloke was made up and it was a great example of building bridges. We all shoot TR, just different "T"s, with different "R"s, in slightly different ways. Is that really so hard to grasp FFS?

A TR bod in the Leper colony...Blimey....Oh yes, and me putting a sandbag next to my muzzle to tame the brake....simples :good:
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#34 Post by Mattnall »

breacher wrote:
Yes - the MARS / Lever Release were very clever bits of lateral thinking to get as close as possible to semi auto within the confines of the legislation re prohibition of semi autos.

Yes - it WAS TOTALLY WITHIN THE LAW so it should not have been a problem.
Yes, I agree with you on both counts. However it was the rubbing it in the face of the authorities with the fast firing videos and 'we're getting around the law' vibe that accompanied many reports on them that seems to have called attention to them in a negative way. That's like a red rag to a bull with a politician with an agenda.
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#35 Post by Pete »

goodjob Well said Maggot and Matnall............

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#36 Post by Strangely Brown »

Pete wrote:goodjob Well said Maggot and Matnall............

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#37 Post by JSC »

The proposed amendments were discussed earlier today in Parliament.

In summary:

1. The suggestion to take lever release rifles out of the proposals was quickly dismissed by Victoria Atkins.
2. "After listening to all the representations", a full public consultation will take place regarding 'high energy rifles'. For the moment, the clauses proposing a ban or additional security measures will be removed from the Bill .

So, basically if the Bill goes through as it stands, .50cal owners can carry on as they have been with no additional security. This may change once the new consultation happens. Mars and LR owners will hand them in and receive compensation.

That's as it stands today, but there are still more stages to go before it becomes law, so changes can still occur.
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#38 Post by Brian838 »

JSC wrote:
Mars and LR owners will hand them in and receive compensation.
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#39 Post by Pinguino »

FULL compensation I hope! I still have my original receipt and that’s £4.5k the govt. will have to cough up to get there hands on my beloved LR. I hope the totalcost comes back to bite them in the bum. LRs weren't even on the original consultation (Just MARS).

Does anyone know (going back to the last time compensation was paid for an implemented ban) what exactly they will expect to get.? Don’t see why I should hand them a working firearm. Can I strip it down and give to them in pieces? Also my stock, hand-guard and trigger were expensive upgrade options items that I could re-use – so why hand them in ..?

And yes... I think i will spray it a god awful colour too, so they can't perade it around as a DANGEROUS BLACK ASSAULT RIFLE
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#40 Post by Airbrush »

Pinguino wrote:FULL compensation I hope! I still have my original receipt and that’s £4.5k the govt. will have to cough up to get there hands on my beloved LR. I hope the totalcost comes back to bite them in the bum. LRs weren't even on the original consultation (Just MARS).

Does anyone know (going back to the last time compensation was paid for an implemented ban) what exactly they will expect to get.? Don’t see why I should hand them a working firearm. Can I strip it down and give to them in pieces? Also my stock, hand-guard and trigger were expensive upgrade options items that I could re-use – so why hand them in ..?

And yes... I think i will spray it a god awful colour too, so they can't perade it around as a DANGEROUS BLACK ASSAULT RIFLE
Good shout, mine will be Barbie Pink I think.
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