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Re: .308 Best Way Forward?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:54 am
by Maggot
Dangermouse wrote:My 2 pence worth:
Any 26" barrelled .308 will see you out to 800 yards and as long as everything else is equal you will hold your own with most Jo's on the range.
I am surprised to see that no one has mentioned the Tikka or Howa Varmint rifles. Also good rifles which are now seeing more spares available with a lovely line of laminate and tactical stocks coming on the market - as well as 10 round mag conversions.
The varmint designation will mean that this is the heavy barrelled version, not as heavy as a custom barrel but better than the light weight barrels preferred by hunters.
A 26" barrel will get you on target at 1000 yards but as the bullet will by then be going trans sonic, your accuracy will not be as good as those with the 30" barrels who can keep their rounds super sonic at that range. On a club day, again you will have fun and if you are at the top of your game, be competitive.
To be truly competitive, and you will still need to be on top of your game, you will need a 30"- 32" barrel and have everything go your way.
You decide, how often will you shoot at 1000 yards? Once a year will not make it worth your while.
No one has mentioned triggers. You will want an after market unit or at the very least one that has been seriously fettled, to get the results you are after. There are a lot more on the market and easily sourced for the Remington than most other makes.
I started with a SPS and it has become a "Triggers broom". for me I had no option, my wife set a limit of £600 and thats what I spent on the rifle
The SPS stock is truly terrible and is best thrown in the bin / put on ebay.
The AI stock needs no introduction but it does not fit everyones hands. In my opinion the best ready to go stock on the market today is the Dolphin - which comes ready to use AICS mags, which not all do.
I don't believe anyone has mentioned weight either? F/TR and to a lesser extent F Open has weight restrictions. I understand that the AICS stock is comparatively heavy.
I would be surprised if the SSG 04 with glass will come in under weight.
DM
Fair, I did kind of hint at the weight by mentioning that the OP should make sure that he looked at the Discipline.
I use the Dolphin for F/TR, not managed to go over yet but my barrel is Palma profile so not like some of the scaf poles out there where folk are struggling.
Triggers are a good one. Mine uses a Jewel, but saying that a £20 PH add on trigger found in a box at a local RFD friend transformed my dear old M67 Kongsberg.
Re: .308 Best Way Forward?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:05 am
by The Cupcake Kid
phaedra1106 wrote:Dangermouse wrote:I would be surprised if the SSG 04 with glass will come in under weight.DM
Don't know what the weight limit is but my SSG-04 with a Sightron SIII 8-32x56 and a Sinclair Tactical Bipod (new version) comes in at 6.2Kg if that's any help
In comparison, a standard Rem 700 varmint with AICS stock and the same bipod and scope would weigh just over 7Kg and I would think all that extra weight is in the stock. It can make it tricky to keep under the FTR weight limit if you want to use a bigger scope, longer barrel or add a few other bits.
Re: .308 Best Way Forward?
Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:46 pm
by The Gun Pimp
the running man wrote:I dont care what anyone says,f class is check book shooting,the best shot in the world with a remmy 700 would get beat by my 8 year old and an rpa...
You want a consistently good score,u needs a good gun. Take the chaps from desert tactical? was it? letting folk shoot the mqueens with box standard factory ammo,vertually everyone shooting it smacked em all through the x and the scoring was vertually all the same...
Check book shooting!!!
What a load of b*****ks! Please stop confusing F Class shooting with shooting with the GB F Class League.
If you want to shoot with the League, fine - and yes, you will need the equipment and the knowledge to use it - at most GBFCA shoots, you will be shooting against the two current World F Class Champions! Don't expect to beat them with your Remmy!
But, if you simply want to enjoy long-range competition target shooting then join a club and shoot F Class.
What other long range competition is there for scoped rifles? Match Rifle, benchrest? Niche disciplines again requiring specialist equipment.
Our fortnightly F Class club shoots attract over 30 shooters and most will be enjoying shooting their Remmys, Rugers, Savages and what have you at all ranges out to 1000 yards.
Yes, you can moan about 'arms races' and 'cheque-book shooting' decry the sport and continue plinking with your Remmy or, you can COME AND SHOOT!
Re: .308 Best Way Forward?
Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:08 pm
by Maggot
The Gun Pimp wrote:the running man wrote:I dont care what anyone says,f class is check book shooting,the best shot in the world with a remmy 700 would get beat by my 8 year old and an rpa...
You want a consistently good score,u needs a good gun. Take the chaps from desert tactical? was it? letting folk shoot the mqueens with box standard factory ammo,vertually everyone shooting it smacked em all through the x and the scoring was vertually all the same...
Check book shooting!!!
What a load of b*****ks! Please stop confusing F Class shooting with shooting with the GB F Class League.
If you want to shoot with the League, fine - and yes, you will need the equipment and the knowledge to use it - at most GBFCA shoots, you will be shooting against the two current World F Class Champions! Don't expect to beat them with your Remmy!
But, if you simply want to enjoy long-range competition target shooting then join a club and shoot F Class.
What other long range competition is there for scoped rifles? Match Rifle, benchrest? Niche disciplines again requiring specialist equipment.
Our fortnightly F Class club shoots attract over 30 shooters and most will be enjoying shooting their Remmys, Rugers, Savages and what have you at all ranges out to 1000 yards.
Yes, you can moan about 'arms races' and 'cheque-book shooting' decry the sport and continue plinking with your Remmy or, you can COME AND SHOOT!
Bloody hell that reminds me, I cannot do the lot but I have to at least do a couple....you never know.
Even with the correct kit I seem to lose the plot, oh well, little by little I guess :cool2:
Re: .308 Best Way Forward?
Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:10 am
by Stuck
People with far more skill & experience than I have already posted valuable advice but as someone new to F/TR I'll share my thoughts for what they are worth...
Prior to becoming a probationer at Diggle I had only shot at 300 yards (Altcar) or 50 yards at Bolton but knew that longer ranges were what I fancied, visiting Diggle was a revelation, if you are anything like me 300 to 600 yards will never be enough when you know the 1000 yard point is behind you...
When you are on the longer ranges how many variables do you want?
1) You
2) The wind
3) The weather
4) Ammunition
5) The rifle...
If I could eliminate or minimise any of the above I would be doing so which is why I bought a second hand F/TR rifle, biggest variable on the range is ME.
What ever you buy if you enjoy it then that is all that matters :cheers:
Mick.