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kennyc wrote:OK wrong video to make the comment about recoil, firing rate is the point, heres one with live rounds for you (I know its not as fast, this isn't a trained specialist in Lee Enfields, just an enthuisiast )

Sandgroper wrote:

Ares590 wrote:

Rearlugs wrote:

The 38 rounds per minute record is true

I actually find that very difficult to believe,

From http://historicalfirearms.tumblr.com/po ... ing-in-the

The record for the most hits on target during a ‘Mad Minute' stood at 38 hits in 60 seconds, set in 1914 by an Instructor Sergeant Alfred Snoxall. It has not been beaten since. Hitting the target 38 times would require him to fire the 10 rounds pre-loaded in the SMLE’s magazine and then reload 6 times with 5 round stripper clips. Add onto this that the rifle was a single shot, bolt action rifle which required the user to push up and retract the bolt and then return it forward pushing a new round into the chamber, then aiming and fire. All while maintaining his cheek weld and line of sight. This means Snoxall must have averaged around 1.5 seconds per shot to hit the target 38 times in a minute. Quite a feat.

and here http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/snoxall/

Ares590 wrote: The first is a blog, and its source is a BBC article that makes no mention of Snoxall.
the second tells us how someone manages that rate of with a modern rifle ergonomic stock and detachable magazines. he didn't do a full minutes worth, he did under half that time, so if you factor in longer reloads and more of them, it would take up a greater amount of time.

To emphasize the capabilities of the WWI-era British shooter who set the record, Snoxall shot as fast as Børklop does, but Snoxall reloaded with stripper clips. Snoxall’s SMLE (Lee-Enfield) rifle also had relatively crude open sights and the stock was far less ergonomic than Børklop’s Sauer STR stock.

Sandgroper wrote: However, I get the impression you won't be happy until you see it performed on youtube or the like and even then you'll only find fault. :roll:

Ares590 wrote:

Sandgroper wrote: However, I get the impression you won't be happy until you see it performed on youtube or the like and even then you'll only find fault. :roll:

I've actually been looking for more information about Snoxall for a while on the internet and I cant actually find anything reliable. nothing at all, just forum and blog posts. look at the audio link I posted before.
basicly
54 sec for 38 shots
1.4 per shot
2-3 per reload of 5rd clip 16-24 on just reloads
Im sorry, I just don't believe it.
He isn't mentioned anywhere, other than forum posts like I say.
Maybe you don't agree, but it sounds highly unlikely to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1BRY113whw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9q7918DQI

meles meles wrote:Sergeant Instructor Snoxall, School of Musketry, Hythe, 1914. Rifle charged with 10 rounds to start with.

Steve E wrote:

meles meles wrote:Sergeant Instructor Snoxall, School of Musketry, Hythe, 1914. Rifle charged with 10 rounds to start with.

And very little if any documentary evidence that it actually happened. If Sgt Snoxall existed (and the SASC can't prove it either way) he would have shot the " record" prone from a fire step in a trench on a target that was close to the modern 600 yd target but shot at 200yds. Hardly an example of a high standard of marksmanship. Pre WW1 the standard that all infantry had to achieve was 24 aimed shots in 1 minute. The targets of the day were very large compared to what we shoot on today, so a lot of it is comparing apples with oranges.