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Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:55 pm
by Oddbod
Brian838 wrote:
daman wrote:Full correct url for the data is:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/people ... tables.xls
What on earth is a 'Non-air weapon'?
I dunno but the official use of the term "air weapon" pi$$es me off no end, as those currently legal in the UK are not & never have been intended to be used as weapons - an implement intended to do harm to others.

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:45 pm
by Chuck
"The Home Office does not hold information on the calibre or mechanism of firearm used in offences involving firearms."

Really? Well they sure know where to find it.

Nice to know your sport is handled - and ruined - by people who haven't a clue about what tools are used when a crime is committed eh!

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:33 am
by Rockhopper
Oddbod wrote:
Brian838 wrote:
daman wrote:Full correct url for the data is:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/people ... tables.xls
What on earth is a 'Non-air weapon'?
I dunno but the official use of the term "air weapon" pi$$es me off no end, as those currently legal in the UK are not & never have been intended to be used as weapons - an implement intended to do harm to others.
Doesn't shooting rats and pigeons make it a weapon?

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:08 pm
by Hrun
Doesn't shooting rats and pigeons make it a weapon?
In the UK apparently not..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.coll ... ish/weapon

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:56 am
by Blackstuff
The word weapon is used because firearms legislation language was written when we were still trusted enough for self-defence to be a 'good reason' to apply for an FAC, and therefore a relevant word to use. Nowadays it should most definitely be re-written to only reference 'firearms' or 'guns', but they aren't as scary sounding so its not going to happen. 8-)

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:27 am
by Lancs_Oakley
Anyone know when we might hear what the final outcome of all this will be?

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:38 am
by Airbrush
Lancs_Oakley wrote:Anyone know when we might hear what the final outcome of all this will be?
In the new year I believe.

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:03 pm
by pigsy
I’ve received a response from my MP. Hopefully my letter was rational and well worded yet I feel the response hints that this is perhaps a foregone conclusion. My initial reaction was to respond and state that perhaps the tools of the current terrorists - rental vans, HGV’s and chefs knives should also face similar scrutiny using that logic but have refrained.

“Thank you for your recent email regarding the consultation on offensive and dangerous weapons.

It is my understanding that Ministers have said that in proposing to prohibit the ownership of .50 calibre 'materiel destruction' rifles of a type that the potential range and penetration of these weapons are such that they are a significant risk if they, or the ammunition, were to fall into the wrong hands, which is why it has proposed that they no longer be allowed for civilian use.

That being said, I do understand your concerns around the points you've raised on the way in which the wording of the consultation is handled, so I have forwarded your views onto the Home Secretary to view as part of the consultation, but I would also encourage you to respond to the consultation directly.

I hope that is helpful in the meantime.

Best wishes”

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:42 pm
by The Event
Perhaps we need to get Ministers to watch this video and learn that .50 isn't 'materiel destruction' with Section 1 ammunition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEDFn3UtVIc

Re: New laws coming?

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:51 pm
by JSC
The Event wrote:Perhaps we need to get Ministers to watch this video and learn that .50 isn't 'materiel destruction' with Section 1 ammunition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEDFn3UtVIc
The NRA have commissioned some independent tests to show to the consultation, so hopefully this will be demonstrated.