Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:20 pm
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B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
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Dabblin' with a P14 Noise Magnet should be a doddle then...Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:34 pm
meles meles wrote:
David,
You hurt my modesty LOL...
Soldier, AS CIP is officially metric a,d your countty is CIP menber a,d officially metric, I do not see any reason to measure imperial (although quite fluent...)
Belter Magnums are 13,55mm and here we talk of 14,5mm;.. I do not say it is not possible, just reserved on the feasibility, mostly at extractor level...
I will have to mprrow a P14 holt and will be able then to say yes or no...
BTW, Badger, I was a mtallurgist too....
R.G.C
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 5:37 pm
R.G.C wrote: BTW, Badger, I was a mtallurgist too....
R.G.C
Hmmm, a truly awesome ooman !
*doffs cap*
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:27 pm
I have had a look on a US17 bolt.meles meles wrote:R.G.C wrote: BTW, Badger, I was a mtallurgist too....
R.G.C
Hmmm, a truly awesome ooman !
*doffs cap*
Bolt diameter is 17,6mm, which in theory would leave 1,5mm thickness for the casehaad recess. Feasible although quite a thin wall left in case of a blowback. The left lug front should have enough metal left for maintaining thecase under the extractor, thanks to the coned breech shaoe...
The extractor would need quite a lot of work. Like the M98, it should be made for feeding from the magazine only and not direct in the chamber to not have to weaken it too much...
R.G.C
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:14 pm
We think a P17 bolt, being designed to feed a 30-06 round, may be quite different to a P14 bolt...
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:19 pm
It is an M17 not a P17.
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:28 pm
Adam said
Class I nearly fell of my chair laughing. party2It is an M17 not a P17.
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:28 pm
dromia wrote:It is an M17 not a P17.
*pops bait back in tin*
Re: B4: Building Badger's Budget Bangstick
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:44 pm
Right oomans, we've experimented.
We had five inert 7.62x54R rounds made up. If a single round is placed on top of the magazine platform in our P14 (modified to a 7.62x51 NATO target rifle you will recall), the bolt picks up the round and feeds it almost fully into the chamber. If we then pull the bolt back sharply the single round is withdrawn and flicked out of the action.
If we place up to four 7.62x54R rounds in the magazine, these will feed as far into the chamber as they are able and can be extracted. Placing a fifth round in the magazine seems to make things a little too tight and both feeding and extraction becomes difficult.
Placing a round on the bolt face shows that the rim doesn't quite fit snugly. To make it a fit, a tiny amount of metal would need to be taken of the raised rim that runs around about half of the face. The extractor claw slips over the rim nicely.
So, our thought is this.
With a little work on the bolt face and a re-barrel / re-chamber, we could end up with a functional 4 shot 7.62x54R P14.
We think it's worth proceeding with as a project. The P14 has already been bubbaed so its not as if we're committing a great desecration of a .303
We had five inert 7.62x54R rounds made up. If a single round is placed on top of the magazine platform in our P14 (modified to a 7.62x51 NATO target rifle you will recall), the bolt picks up the round and feeds it almost fully into the chamber. If we then pull the bolt back sharply the single round is withdrawn and flicked out of the action.
If we place up to four 7.62x54R rounds in the magazine, these will feed as far into the chamber as they are able and can be extracted. Placing a fifth round in the magazine seems to make things a little too tight and both feeding and extraction becomes difficult.
Placing a round on the bolt face shows that the rim doesn't quite fit snugly. To make it a fit, a tiny amount of metal would need to be taken of the raised rim that runs around about half of the face. The extractor claw slips over the rim nicely.
So, our thought is this.
With a little work on the bolt face and a re-barrel / re-chamber, we could end up with a functional 4 shot 7.62x54R P14.
We think it's worth proceeding with as a project. The P14 has already been bubbaed so its not as if we're committing a great desecration of a .303