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ordnance wrote:

I wish people would read posts - I never said that YouTube videos were "why" they were banned - but I would put money on the fact that they were good evidence that they should be - in most cases, none shooters would not have been able to tell that they were not semi-auto.

What does it matter if, in most cases, none shooters would not have been able to tell that they were not semi-auto. ?

The "MARS" and lever action rifles being a prime example - lots of YouTube posts showing how fast these rifles can shoot and we wonder why they got banned.

Sorry, but if you do not know, I have not got the time or patience to explain how anti gun groups etc can use such video's.

I never said that YouTube videos were "why" they were banned - but I would put money on the fact that they were good evidence that they should be - in most cases, none shooters would not have been able to tell that they were not semi-auto.

Sorry, but if you do not know, I have not got the time or patience to explain how anti gun groups etc can use such video's.

You said none shooters not anti gun groups. Anti gun groups will do what they do, a few videos on Youtube will do no difference.

Anti-gun groups will do what they do?

I thought they'd be only too pleased to hold up a Youtube vid of some tosser doing a rambo impersonation to reinforce their opinions...............

Pete

Pete wrote:Anti-gun groups will do what they do?

I thought they'd be only too pleased to hold up a Youtube vid of some tosser doing a rambo impersonation to reinforce their opinions...............

Pete

I would not call a fellow gun enthusiast shooting a gun perfectly legally they way they want, a tosser doing a rambo impersonation. Attitudes like that among gun owners / enthusiast help reinforce the anti gun groups case.

As I said, legally doesn't necessarily mean acceptable.....not to me, anyway.

Pete

Pete wrote:As I said, legally doesn't necessarily mean acceptable.....not to me, anyway.

Pete

Pete Yardley has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

Dark Skies wrote:

Pete wrote:As I said, legally doesn't necessarily mean acceptable.....not to me, anyway.

Pete

Pete Yardley has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

That's a bit strong.

Pete's got a point, maybe not against you guys who just don't seem to get the conservative viewpoint we're trying to put across, maybe I'll put it a different way, for you to try and understand where we're coming from.

What "Sporting" use does a mag-dump have? It may be a function test, but it doesn't really have any competitive value. So becomes very difficult to defend in terms of having a club showing it off as a "come and have a go at this"... It doesn't have any intrinsic sporting or competitive value.

Take for example the fact that the Olympics, possibly the biggest sporting event in history, happened in this country and even our sporting, competitive athletes had to train abroad due to being un-allowed to train in this country with pistols for something of such significant sporting achievement. This was something with an intrinsic value to the sport and it couldn't get the kind of public support necessary behind it to change the law to practice Olympic disciplines.

What, if any public support can you imagine where the media use footage of non-sporting firearm use, taken directly from a UK club that's advertising it?

It's not about a few of us here trying to stop people from doing what they're legally entitled to do, but to try and mitigate the risk of those doing some of the more questionable things on UK ranges, with no sporting value, affecting our sport.

If you think about the general type of shooting that can happen in the UK, and think about where you might be placed on a table of importance, where do you think "plinking" would come?
Out of Vermin Control, Competitive Shooting (International Level), CS (National Level), CS (Club Level), Informal Shooting (Plinking)

Which do you think might be the easiest target for the media to try and chastise, and ultimately go for?

Where does the line between that type of shooting and the other types of shooting blur?

We are all ambassadors for our sport, whether we shoot at International Level, Club level, or just a plinker. It pays us all to use some thought to the bigger picture when we post anything about our sport onto social media/the internet. Whether it be bag sizes, Trophy photos, videos of shooting etc. Especially when it's linked to a club page which will give it far more credibility in the eyes of the media.

Thanks TG, you beat me to it................I get a great buzz from my approach to shooting (constantly striving for a "possible" without spending a mint on equipment), and I resent this "band of brothers" attitude that demands that if I own a gun, I should automatically support everyone else who owns a gun, irrespective of what they do with it, or keep my mouth shut.

Pete

No, I get where you're coming from.
I just believe that no matter how nice we play, no matter how many arses on the Clapham Omnibus we kiss, no matter how respectable we are, no matter how much holding a FAC represents the cream of honest citizens, no matter how much we bend over to come across as harmless old duffers quietly minding our own business, the result will always be the same. The police and the government will always use us as a distraction from tackling real firearm crime and violent crime in general. Have you not noticed the pattern over the last forty years plus?

Most ordinary folk don't give us a second thought or care. I expect most aren't even aware that we can own rifles and pistols. They most likely think of shooting sports as posh blokes in silly clothes banging away at game, if they think about it at all.

The Gun Control Network, little people that got a sense of importance following Dunblane (and crave that feeling still, having had a taste of being listened to) are never going to be appeased by our self-censorship.

So where I'm coming from is f*** them. f*** them and the eggshells they scatter.

And no, Pete Yardley wasn't "a bit strong" - it's the same mentality even if it's a bit watered down.
I don't have to play 'Band of Brothers' either.

And for the record. I'm not one to put up videos of my shooting or others. Or do mag dumps etc. But I'm also not one to do a Yardley and lecture those who do.

Dark Skies has it right. (God forgive me for agreeing with him!!) whatever you do, however you project, you will always be playing catch up. The Commonwealth Games in Birmingham is the a case in point. What more a benign shooting sport is there than 10m air pistol? Women’s cricket out ranks it and more people have been killed with cricket bats than air pistols!

And never, ever, ever decry anything because it has no “competitive value”! If the antis are encouraged that only competitive or sporting shooting has value, you can kiss goodbye to gun ownership straight away!