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Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:52 pm
by ovenpaa
Found this after a reference to it on another forum. It is an extract from the FIREARMS LIAISON COMMITTEE MEETING DEVON AND CORNWALL CONSTABULARY Held at: Fowey Suite - Police Headquarters –10:00, 09 March 2011
Bullet Construction and Hand Loading
A long discussion ensured concerning the construction of bullets.Mike Squire raised the problem of the classification of expanding ammunition and its use on ranges and for wildlife management. He was aware from conversations with customers that many did not understand how to
differentiate between certain types of bullet. He asked when the current restrictions on the possession and use of expanding ammunition would be amended, as hinted at in previous meetings. He pointed out that some American manufactured ammunition with ballistic tips were designed to be dual purpose, for use both as target ammunition and for wildlife management. Bullets that were described as target or expanding rounds in their literature externally appeared identical. He had sectioned a range of ballistic tipped bullets, described by the manufacturer as target or expanding, and compared them with bullets described as dual purpose. He could detect no difference in
construction. Barry Collacott said he believed that until the law was changed, bullets should continue to be treated as either target or expanding for wildlife management, not dual purpose. Mike Squire questioned how this would be checked and enforced by the authorities when the loaded bullets of each type could not be differentiated when stood side by side. Barry suggested the legislation was unenforceable.
M Squire - RFD - Deer Consultant
B Collacott - Firearm Licensing Operations Officer
PDF link
http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/Onl ... 110309.pdf
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:20 pm
by EagerNoSkill
oi all
I have lots of boxes that will hold about 100 to 200 bullets that say :
"TARGET MATCH BULLETS" Use on paper targets only!
Can send printing template :lol:
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:59 pm
by Christel
EagerNoSkill wrote:
Can send printing template :lol:
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:10 pm
by ovenpaa
He had sectioned a range of ballistic tipped bullets, described by the manufacturer as target or expanding, and compared them with bullets described as dual purpose. He could detect no difference in
construction
I did some checking and found these on the Hornady site, the difference looks quite obvious to me. VMax on the left and A Max to the right.
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:19 pm
by dromia
Well thats not how they look in the packing I get, externally at least they do look the same both have the same red tip. From the 2010 catalogue the diference in cross section is that the V Max tip plug extends farther into the body of the bullet than in the A Max.
The A Max picture your showing David looks like the Traditional Match.
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:28 pm
by ovenpaa
The image came from
http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-155-gr-A-MAX/ but they one on the right does not look like the ones I have at home. I will chop one up when I get back.
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:13 pm
by dodgyrog
I have received this reply from the Durham Constabulary Firearms Licensing Manager today:
'Having looked into this matter may I advise that to date no directions have been received from the Home Office or ACPO Firearms Explosive and Licensing Group on the reclassification of any such ammunition and until such are received by Police Forces, in particular Firearms Licensing Managers, it is shall we say’ business as usual’.
Prior to the receipt of any specific guidance from ACPO FELWG or the HO, I am of the opinion that any advice regarding Hornady A Max bullets/ammunition is at the sole discretion of that particular Force Firearms Licensing Unit at this time.'
Some sense from my area anyway. I hope your lot sees sense soon.
ATB
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:42 pm
by Robin128
ovenpaa wrote:He had sectioned a range of ballistic tipped bullets, described by the manufacturer as target or expanding, and compared them with bullets described as dual purpose. He could detect no difference in
construction
I did some checking and found these on the Hornady site, the difference looks quite obvious to me. VMax on the left and A Max to the right.
Not according to the links I posted above, ovenpaa..A max has a similar tip to V Max...
Look again..
http://www.hornady.com/store/A-MAX
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:04 pm
by ovenpaa
I just pulled one apart and it was like the one in the link you posted Rob, scary that they lack consistency on the site...
Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:12 pm
by dromia
Its only dumb shooters they are selling to. :|
