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Daryll wrote:My My, aren't people getting all twitchy....

And there was me thinking that Shooters were a non-PC bunch, and therefore not thin skinned enough to worry if someone called their pride and joy a "pretendy" AR...

I have an AUG and AKM, and Dromia can call them "pretendy" all he likes, it won't affect my enjoyment of them.

(Although of course he is correct.. the A in AR, AUG and AKM is for Automatic, which ours cannot be so they're not "real" AR's, AUG's or AKM's....)

The "A" in AR stands for Armalite not Automatic

As posted before : The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle."

http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm

dromia wrote:If people refer to them as straight pull ARs or some such term that recognises what they really are then there would be no need for other descriptions.

So why isn't an .22LR AR really an AR then? its a calibre change but still semi automatic.

"I have an AUG and AKM, and Dromia can call them "pretendy" all he likes, it won't affect my enjoyment of them."

Thats mine and others point Daryll he does NOT call any other straight pull rifles posted about on here Pretendy, only the AR style of rifle.

One question......is the Battle Of Britain Memorial Flight Spitfire a "pretendy" Spitfire as it doesn't function as it was designed (no functioning armament) or is it still a "proper" Spitfire???.

How many more posts until this thread is locked? Can we then call it a pretendy thread as it cannot be added too?

How many more posts until this thread is locked?

Oh nooooo...Please dont !!
This is all very amusing. Dromia, beside being very knowledgable & very helpfull, doubles up as a 1st class cantankerous entertainer

The AUG (Armee-Universal-Gewehr—"universal army rifle") was adopted by the Austrian Army as the StG 77 (Sturmgewehr 77) in 1978.
No mention of automatic in there either.

WelshShooter wrote:
Good point, but if we call UK compliant straight pull AR's "pretendy AR's" then should we not call AR-15's "pretendy M16's"?

OK, let me throw this into the mix.

In 1966 "AR-15" was filled and in 1967 granted as trade marked name and it has been renewed earlier this year for a further 10 years. It is owned by Colt (in one of its incarnations). Therefore anyone making a similar rifle whether it be straight-pull, single shot, semi or full-automatic without the express permission of Colt cannot call them AR-15s.

Although the design is in the public domain the name "AR15" isn't, hence rifles such as the M&P-15 and the PCR-15, Raven etc. being called something other than AR-15.

So I would think every single "AR" we'd be talking about is a pretendy AR (with very few exceptions).

Mattnall wrote:OK, let me throw this into the mix.

In 1966 "AR-15" was filled and in 1967 granted as trade marked name and it has been renewed earlier this year for a further 10 years. It is owned by Colt (in one of its incarnations). Therefore anyone making a similar rifle whether it be straight-pull, single shot, semi or full-automatic without the express permission of Colt cannot call them AR-15s.

Although the design is in the public domain the name "AR15" isn't, hence rifles such as the M&P-15 and the PCR-15, Raven etc. being called something other than AR-15.

So I would think every single "AR" we'd be talking about is a pretendy AR (with very few exceptions).

Doooohhh, and it was all going so well!!!

Nevermind brothers, we can turn this around, we stand strong!