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Go to the posts at the bottom of page 6.

Better still I'll merge the threads.

Done.

OK having read through the original thread it appears if I'm cutting through the various bits of info that

A wooden storage box is only needed if you hold over 15KG!

does this sound correct??

It's not clear at all, one thing says you need a box for nitrocellulose (which should have been corrected by now) another says you have to notify plod if over 5Kg and another says you can have up to 15Kg of powder and 15kg of percussion caps and/or small arms ammunition and not notify them.


MSER Certificate of Exemption No 1 of 2012 exempts any person who stores
shooter’s powders within the quantity permitted in the certificate from the
requirement of regulation 10(1) of MSER in relation to that storage.

The exemption certificate does not replace the existing provisions of
regulation 10(2)(b) of MSER, it is an alternative and is subject to certain
conditions. Where the exemption is used, it is in substitution for the provisions
provided in regulation 10(2)(b), not in addition to them.

Persons storing shooter’s powders under the exemption can store up to a
total of 15kg of black powder, smokeless powder or a mixture of both. They
can also store up to 15kg of percussion caps, small arms ammunition or a
mixture of both.

Hands up who can afford to hold over 5kg of powder

DW58 wrote:Hands up who's totally confused?

Sort of half way clear.

The 2014 regulations http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2014 ... 638_en.pdf allow you to hold 15kg of shooters powder and 15kg (net explosive content) of primers and ammunition. The 'one or more' in Para 2(a) means you can hold what's in paras i, ii and iii.

Authorisation to store explosives
7.— (1) Subject to paragraph (2), no person may store explosives unless that person holds
a licence for their storage and complies with the conditions of that licence.
(2) Paragraph (1) does not apply to—
(a) the storage of one or more of the following—
(i) no more than 10 kilograms of shooters’ powder;
(ii) no more than 5 kilograms of—
(aa) shooters’ powder; or
(bb) any hazard type 3 or 4 explosive, or desensitised explosive,
which is not a relevant explosive, or a combination of
hazard type 3 or 4 explosives, or desensitised explosives,
which are not relevant explosives; or
(cc) a combination of shooters’ powder and any hazard
type 3 or 4 explosives, or desensitised explosives,
which are not relevant explosives;
(iii) no more than 15 kilograms of percussion caps or small arms
ammunition or a mixture of them;

The MSER Certificate of Exemption No 1 of 2012 is irrelevant. It only gives you what's in the new regs. It also relies for its power on the 2005 regs which have been completely revoked in the 2014 regs so its dead.

The regs don't cover the storage, this is in the HSE guidance to the regs http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l150.htm on page 100. Wooden partitioned box, 1kg max containers for shooters powders which are clearly shown as including Black Powder and Smokeless powders.

Unless there has been an amendment I wouldn't rate my chances going against the guidelines. Especially as the regulation which exempts you from maintaining separation distances 27(3) specifies and the explosives are stored in a safe and suitable place with all due precautions for public safety. The HSE guidance specifies the due precautions.

So... does this mean I can't keep my current tub of powder on my reloading bench, and the rest (3-4 tubs, probably all half full) in the wall cupboard above it...?