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Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:46 pm
by HH1
I'm guessing that if magazines became a licensed part they would legally need to be kept under lock and key in a safe?
Although not presently a legal requirement, I actually do keep my magazines in a locked ammo box separate from the rifles.
A few weeks back I turned up at the range with several guns and realised that I'd left the mags for one rifle at home (I think we have all done this at some point)... so I now have a couple of spare (empty) mags (different calibers) in a locked, hidden steel security box bolted down in my vehicle, that way I know that I have spares if needed. If Mags become licensed, then I'm guessing that would not be acceptable.
The way its going, they will be fitting all guns with GPS tracking chips so they can monitor their movements 24/7
Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:51 pm
by snayperskaya
HH1 wrote:
The way its going, they will be fitting all guns with GPS tracking chips so they can monitor their movements 24/7
Shhhhh!!!, don't give Them any more daft ideas.
Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:02 pm
by jmc67
I've written to them as well, highlighting the numerous issues with trying to implement making magazines into essential items. If I get a response I'll share back.
Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:08 pm
by Blackstuff
Dark Skies wrote:
I don't really see the point. I've fired off several emails of late. By way of reply I simply get a standard polite email thanking me for highlighting concerns followed by reams of waffle about how flaws in the agenda are being addressed blah blah blah. All I really want to read is 'we intend to reject this pile of ridiculous nonsense'.
There is only one course of viable action - vote to leave the EU this summer. Anything else is pointless. If we remain we WILL eventually lose shooting sports. All of them.
I read in The Times this morning that in order to 'secure' his limp non-deal to facilitate his conning the British public, Cameron has given away our veto, the only real bargaining chip we had should we remain in the EU. Now, should the gullible vote to remain, we will effectively be saying to Brussels that forevermore we relinquish our will to govern ourselves so feel free to foist upon us all your nonsense and do with us as you please and charge us for the privilege.
If you're expecting a solid response from any MP that has the remotest chance of ever being in a position of serious power then I'm afraid you're always bound to be disappointed!.
This is a simple exercise in remaining them we are here and we are watching what they are doing. No response to these people translates into "everyone approves of what we are doing. Its no time to let apathy win.
Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:07 pm
by Chuck
Re: EU Proposals Now Inc's MAGAZINES (FAC variation required
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 3:24 pm
by Dark Skies
Unless you subscribe to The Times online (for money) you can't see it outside of the paper copy.
The gist is repeated here:
https://www.politicshome.com/party-poli ... vulnerable
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:44 pm
by DanTheMan
HH1 wrote:Each to their own, but when I visit Arms Fairs and see deactivated weapons I think it is sad. I've said to one dealer who has (for example) Lee Enfield rifles "isn't it a shame that these have been butchered.... they should be on ticket and shot at the range by an FAC holder".
I don't see the attraction of de-acts unless it has a specific family connection, or perhaps it was a favourite pre-ban pistol that a shooter wanted to keep, all bet in butchered form for nostalgic reasons.
If a firearm is very rare and is of significant historical importance, then it should never have been de-activated in the first place.... and if that means storage in a secure armoury or museum then so be it.... if the firearm is that important then a private owner is merely a custodian who will have to pass the firearm on at some future date.
A de-activated weapon is by definition "destroyed" so as to no longer function as it should ....... so why get overly concerned if parts move or are welded solid.... its just a curio.... a wall-hanger and a sad reminder of what once was.
You can't put stuff like this on FAC anymore so deactivated is the only way, and if you study the engineering aspect of historical firearms then being able to strip them is a big plus. Nostalgic indeed, a snapshot in time, part of a WW2 collection of artifacts which is our heritage, you either get it or you don't.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 7:24 pm
by Chuck
That MG3 still in use over here....
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:44 am
by huntervixen
DanTheMan wrote:HH1 wrote:Each to their own, but when I visit Arms Fairs and see deactivated weapons I think it is sad. I've said to one dealer who has (for example) Lee Enfield rifles "isn't it a shame that these have been butchered.... they should be on ticket and shot at the range by an FAC holder".
I don't see the attraction of de-acts unless it has a specific family connection, or perhaps it was a favourite pre-ban pistol that a shooter wanted to keep, all bet in butchered form for nostalgic reasons.
If a firearm is very rare and is of significant historical importance, then it should never have been de-activated in the first place.... and if that means storage in a secure armoury or museum then so be it.... if the firearm is that important then a private owner is merely a custodian who will have to pass the firearm on at some future date.
A de-activated weapon is by definition "destroyed" so as to no longer function as it should ....... so why get overly concerned if parts move or are welded solid.... its just a curio.... a wall-hanger and a sad reminder of what once was.
You can't put stuff like this on FAC anymore so deactivated is the only way, and if you study the engineering aspect of historical firearms then being able to strip them is a big plus. Nostalgic indeed, a snapshot in time, part of a WW2 collection of artifacts which is our heritage, you either get it or you don't.
Well put Dan,
While deactivation always stirs up strong feelings among us Full-bores, its all part of the very broad church of firearm collecting in the UK. I know people with superb and expensive live collections, who have equally superb deac collections, to fill the gaps that Sec1 restrictions simply won't allow.
It all depends on your shooting interests .. I am primarily interested in shooting and researching British Service firearms 1800 to current, manufacture, issue and their wider historical impact in our many wars over the last 216 years.
With this in mind, I have sensitively deactivated pristine condition old spec examples of the Sten and Sterling in my personal collection as well as others, they sit comfortably with my live Lee's and L1A1's.
The actions function and field strip (with the exception of the barrels) and allow detail study of manufacture, action and in some cases individual service histories.
Re: EU change in the deacivation laws from 8th April 2016
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:31 pm
by Ginger
Not sure if anyone has posted the EU directive, but here it is if they haven't:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/ ... 42&from=EN
