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Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:40 am
by MistAgain
When Merseyside Police seize anything , they have a nice simple policy .
1 . Tag with numbered evidence tags .
2. List details of the property along with evidence tag number .
3. Provide property owner with receipt if property owner is present.
All the above are supposed to be done on site at the place of seizure .
Guess what ….......................Still no receipt for the firearms , ammunition and de-acts seized.
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:33 am
by breacher
MistAgain wrote:When Merseyside Police seize anything , they have a nice simple policy .
1 . Tag with numbered evidence tags .
2. List details of the property along with evidence tag number .
3. Provide property owner with receipt if property owner is present.
All the above are supposed to be done on site at the place of seizure .
Guess what ….......................Still no receipt for the firearms , ammunition and de-acts seized.
Not always the case.
If the items seized are believed to be unlawfully held, a receipt is not always given.
For example - police find you with an off ticket gun - siezure with no receipt. Or drugs - no receipt.
Maybe they are treating all the items taken as unlawful until ownership and legality are established ?
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:00 pm
by Pippin89
breacher wrote:MistAgain wrote:When Merseyside Police seize anything , they have a nice simple policy .
1 . Tag with numbered evidence tags .
2. List details of the property along with evidence tag number .
3. Provide property owner with receipt if property owner is present.
All the above are supposed to be done on site at the place of seizure .
Guess what ….......................Still no receipt for the firearms , ammunition and de-acts seized.
Not always the case.
If the items seized are believed to be unlawfully held, a receipt is not always given.
For example - police find you with an off ticket gun - siezure with no receipt. Or drugs - no receipt.
Maybe they are treating all the items taken as unlawful until ownership and legality are established ?
Possible.... Goes against the "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy though!
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:22 pm
by MistAgain
breacher wrote:MistAgain wrote:When Merseyside Police seize anything , they have a nice simple policy .
1 . Tag with numbered evidence tags .
2. List details of the property along with evidence tag number .
3. Provide property owner with receipt if property owner is present.
All the above are supposed to be done on site at the place of seizure .
Guess what ….......................Still no receipt for the firearms , ammunition and de-acts seized.
Not always the case.
If the items seized are believed to be unlawfully held, a receipt is not always given.
For example - police find you with an off ticket gun - siezure with no receipt. Or drugs - no receipt.
Maybe they are treating all the items taken as unlawful until ownership and legality are established ?
As I said , this is how Merseyside Polce do things (normally) . Other forces may do things in their own way .
The legality and ownership would have been evident as the club FAC was present and the RFD register was there .
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:33 pm
by Pippin89
MistAgain wrote:breacher wrote:MistAgain wrote:When Merseyside Police seize anything , they have a nice simple policy .
1 . Tag with numbered evidence tags .
2. List details of the property along with evidence tag number .
3. Provide property owner with receipt if property owner is present.
All the above are supposed to be done on site at the place of seizure .
Guess what ….......................Still no receipt for the firearms , ammunition and de-acts seized.
Not always the case.
If the items seized are believed to be unlawfully held, a receipt is not always given.
For example - police find you with an off ticket gun - siezure with no receipt. Or drugs - no receipt.
Maybe they are treating all the items taken as unlawful until ownership and legality are established ?
As I said , this is how Merseyside Polce do things (normally) . Other forces may do things in their own way .
The legality and ownership would have been evident as the club FAC was present and the RFD register was there .
That wouldn't necessarily prove legal ownership. They are only held legally if they are kept in accordance with the details given on the FAC. And by the sounds of it guns stored in the wrong cabinets and unauthorised access etc.... they may take that as grounds to say they are held illegally. Unlikely this is the case but plausible.
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:22 pm
by MistAgain
Sim G wrote:MistAgain wrote:
This bit from the Home Office letter should be ringing bloddy great alarm bells , “The police checked the list of members which you provided and noted over 100 members who do not appear on the police's records.”
Merseyside Police do not do tick box while drinking coffee visits. If anything they are probably on par with a GCHQ security screening .
So how is it that between the January inspection and the raid in June over 100 members would appear to have joined APC but the police claim no knowledge of them .
But obviously 280 members now have to be protected. The first thing I would think all should do is join the NRA. For nothing more than this will satisfy the "club" element of the good reason for owning the firearms on ticket. This would also give breathing space so that people could find available clubs.
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It would seem that APC members just cant join the NRA that easily as they are no longer members of a HOA club.
You will need to undertake a one day membership assessment and possibly extra training.
So they will have to book a date (hopefully in the next 4 weeks) drive down to Bissley , maybe with an overnight stay , and complete the assessment .
I get a feeling there will not be a rush to join the NRA !.
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:49 pm
by Sim G
No, that’s not the case at all. I’ll PM you.
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:35 pm
by GeeRam
Polchraine wrote:GeeRam wrote:HH1 wrote:bearing in mind they are both OAP's.
He must still be working as a CEng though as he's not on the retired list.
Why and how do you make that assumption. Once granted, an individual can keep Chrtered Engineer status for life provided fees are paid and there is no "malpractice" or "criminal offence".
....but that means CPD to be yearly submitted, which is why, if actually retired, you go on the retired list, pay your reduced fees and don't have to submit CPD.
As I said he doesn't appear to be on the retired list, well with one organisation at least.
But that's going too far off thread.......
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:47 am
by MistAgain
It seems that during the checking that took place of the club members list and club members that Merseyside Police claimed to have been informed about ,
RT was not allowed to observe .
Re: Merseyside Police carry out inspection at Anfield gun cl
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:11 am
by Pippin89
MistAgain wrote:It seems that during the checking that took place of the club members list and club members that Merseyside Police claimed to have been informed about ,
RT was not allowed to observe .
That doesn't surprise me. There could be sensitive information in the police records that he doesn't have access to...