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The same could be said of the US. In fact I'll go as far to say that the majority of legal concealed pistol carriers are not the problem in the US.Fortunately the vast majority of illegal firearm usage in the UK, is from gangs, targeted towards gangs
Correct - we as civilians have a right to defend ourselves. But it is illegal for us to possess any article with which to do so. Apart from "instant arming".AJSawyer wrote:@Ordnance
Why can you not see what I've already explained?
There's a huge difference between arming and training 7,200 officers, and arming and training 100,000+
And again, we aren't talking about the risk of arming Police, we're talking arming anyone who has a fancy for owning a gun for self defence.
Also, you can't just exclude a perfectly good example because you disagree with it. America has a huge problem, the causes are widespread, but the less steps we take towards that way of thinking and life, the better.
@Sim
Then I ask, don't assume that because I do what I do for a living, that I think I'm above any other human being.
We need legally owned firearms held by Armed Police to combat the illegally held firearms in the UK. Fortunately the vast majority of illegal firearm usage in the UK, is from gangs, targeted towards gangs. That is the only "monopoly" on force that should exist.
Everyone else has the right to defend themselves, within the confines of the law, just like Police Officers do.
I get what what you are saying but the training would be no more expencie or difficult than training the police already receive.Why can you not see what I've already explained?
There's a huge difference between arming and training 7,200 officers, and arming and training 100,000+
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martin2sheds wrote:This Canadian chap has his view on England’s position on the question of firearms for self-defence;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6f5_eXlhno
The “Old Offender” mentioned was also found guilty of supplying ammunition, so not just possession of a firearm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -home.html
My apologies for a Daily Mail link, to those offended.
Daryll wrote: "selling or transferring ammunition to someone who was not a registered firearms dealer"... is that a crime..??
Sim G wrote:Gazoo wrote: As for British have always been able to defend themselves and the Winston quote, I think you are missing something crucial to both those things....Class.
Winston wasn't thinking about working class houses , he will have meant good old middle class houses and a gentleman could always walk down the road and pull a webley out to defend himself against a ruffian, the police would turn up and salute him, call him sir etc, but a bin man walking down the street who shoots a ruffian would have been locked up and hanged, no salutes or sir-ing there. Twas always thus.
Don't forget the start of all this was after the first world war, when they rushed through controls to stop the millions of pi**ed off heroes coming home to nothing different than before but having seen the russians overthrow their masters.
The class system?! Honestly.....
yes, think deeper than your holster Sim G ) start asking for them and we have to rethink things.paranoia ??? I'm not the one wanting to go everywhere armedSim G wrote:Gazoo, I don't think I could go deeper than your paranoia. Sorry bud...
