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Cj10 wrote:

Junge wrote:Do they mean MARS or .22 as well

Robert

At the time of the consultation the Home Office indicated 22 rimfire was not in scope. We will only fully understand how “rapid fire” and “certain powerful” rifles are defined when the white paper is published.

Again without sounding defeatist, for me personally it is about ensuring I am compensated for all accessories, etc in a similar fashion to the 1997 Act.

Ceri

UNLESS THEY DO A BROCOCK TYPE JOB ON THINGS

It does make me wonder what the point of being a law-abiding citizen is?

When legally owned property can just be taken off its owner for the sake of pandering to the gutter press, furthering the careers of some lacklustre politicians, and tossing a distraction tool to an impotent police force ... where's the benefit of staying straight?
Criminals have more rigorously upheld rights than we do and enjoy society's understanding and pity. And they are unfettered by fireams laws - so could enjoy better shooting sports without all the expense, hoops, and social meddling that legal sports folk have to endure.

Conscience.

It is the difference and the point.

Just because the world has lost its moral sense of right and wrong doesn't mean everyone should follow.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

When I'm driving on a motorway and the signs come on reducing the speed to 40 mph for mile after mile with no fathomable reason for the reduction I obey. I adhere until the limit is removed. And all the way I'm terrified that because I'm the only one adhering to the speed limit in force that I am going to be the one rear-ended or crushed by a truck. Often times that is exactly how others perish.

Classic distraction exercise by the Government and Home Secretary, under attack due to the rise in violent crime in London so they quickly put out a press release talking about banning items that won't make one iota of change to the situation except restricting Acid sales (that was always too lax imho and needed tightening up).

Knuckle dusters? Go to a DIY shop buy a short link of heavy duty chain and wrap it around your fist!

Zombie knives? Go to any shop that sales kitchen knives or DIY equipment and you can buy all sorts of nasty sharp implements!

Bump stocks? Next to useless here anyway!

Police numbers cut by thousands! Youth services slashed out of existence! A useless London Mayor more interested in virtue signaling that actually dealing with the causes of crime!



No lets just meaninglessly ban some items and yet again collectively punish collectors and sports shooters who have committed no crime!

Fedaykin wrote:
Zombie knives? Go to any shop that sales kitchen knives or DIY equipment and you can buy all sorts of nasty sharp implements!

It's actually much easier than that, you don't even need to go to the shops.
Take any knife out of your kitchen drawer, write the words 'Zombie Killer' on the handle. You have just illegally manufactured a zombie knife & soon will face arrest for possession of an illegal weapon.

So this is a new consultation but with the 50cal and rapid firing guns thrown in even though there was a specific consultation about these which the nra et al and gun owners responded to, exposing what a load rubbish the propersals were !!!
To be put through the back door of another consultation of a different subject, the police and the home office are at war and are desperate to get these types of firearms banned and conficated !!!
Even if you are anti gun, sensable British citizens you would think, would be appalled of the government wanting to confiscate property of the law abiding people !!
If the nra et al can’t stop this, then we are on our way (prob the next mass shooting by terrorists or whatever) from a total ban on civilian ownership of ALL firearms although we might get lucky and be able to keep air guns / double barrel shotguns on an FAC stored at clubs

Actually joe, the consultation included the acids and knife proposals.

"Ministers are cracking down on the blades which can be up to almost two feet long.
The weapons often have serrated edges and words on them which have been accused of glamorising violence.
"Zombie knives" as the name suggests are inspired by blades frequently seen in horror films, particularly "zombie apocalypse" movies.
They are regularly marketed as collectors items and can be purchased online for as little as £10."

So where will plod be drawing the distinction, given they just love to wilfully misinterpret guidelines to suit themselves?
Will it include all those Cold Steel fantasy swords? Bayonet collections? Gurkha khukuris? In my collection I have an old US 1918 trench knife that would apparently fall foul of the new legislation.

Am I to meekly trudge down to the plod station during the small window of time it is open to dump hundreds of pounds worth of antiques into a placcy bin in return for a condescending pat on the head?
'Well done sir, there's a good citizen. Please do help yourself to the complimentary lo11i-pop on your way out. Remember, if it saves one gang-member it's all for the greater good.'

A friend of mine who has been an avid and serious collector of Klingon type weaponry which he firmly displays on his wall said it best.
During a door to door chat hoping to find people that may possibly have seen something helpful prior to or after a sexual assault just outside their sleepy village a copper found himself in my friends flat. Pointing to the impressive array of metal the copper said: "those things should be banned - they sicken me." To which my friend promptly ended the chat with "then don't come to my home uninvited."

Inanimate items on the wall in the privacy of your own home are not the problem Weapons carried in public by thugs are the problem and we already have plenty of laws to deal with that already.

Dark Skies wrote:When I'm driving on a motorway and the signs come on reducing the speed to 40 mph for mile after mile with no fathomable reason for the reduction I obey. I adhere until the limit is removed. And all the way I'm terrified that because I'm the only one adhering to the speed limit in force that I am going to be the one rear-ended or crushed by a truck. Often times that is exactly how others perish.

Please keep left, the rest of us have places to be.